Another day, another Betfair rumour! TSS July 19, 2010 Leeds United 50 Comments Another day, another rumour courtesy of the tireless editor of Betfair’s football blog. Today it’s back to Leroy Lita and an alledged 500k bid being prepared from Simon Grayson. With this apparent obsession with Leeds United continuing, I’m starting to think that a day in the life of Betfair’s CEO goes as follows; 6AM – Up early to check what money has been put where on today’s events and alter pricing to suit. 9AM – Into the conference room to discuss the most pressing matters of the day. Top of the list is of course who Leeds United should be linked to today?. 10AM – Just time to grab a quick coffee while your online editor creates his daily masterpiece of rumours and nonsense. 11AM – Realisation that you’re actually running a bookies sets in and you quickly move to ensure everything is running smoothly (set to make a killing in Lehman’s terms) 12AM – Catch up with your online editor over lunch, just to make sure there are plenty of hits flying into your site courtesy of wishful football fans hoping you’ve actually got something to base your stories on. (You haven’t, but what do you care?) 2PM – With everything running smoothly, you decide it’s best to call an executive meeting on the golf course to discuss your plans for a new HQ on a remote island with the executives faces carved into the cliffs. World domination stage one excites you… 5PM – Home for dinner with the wife, smug in the knowledge that your empire is growing thanks to the gullible football fans and their desperate need for news during the close season. Ahh, if only horse racing fans were so easy to manipulate… Leeds Leeds Leeds Betfair is not a bookmaker and they don’t alter prices. Matt BB I think you’ll find they are, and come on the anme sort of gives it away.. they dont operate in the same way that ladbrokes do you can bet at fixed odds. Matt BB the name – gives it away that should say.. Leeds Leeds Leeds Not a bookmaker. Betfair is an exchange where customers determine the odds. Don’t want Lita. I’d be very surprised and disappointed if we haven’t approached Arsenal with regards to a season long loan deal for Sanchez Watt. Matt BB you can place a bet though on their website? Leeds Leeds Leeds You can indeed. Matt BB Lets be honest who would go to the bookies and put money on our next new signing? theres got to be a certain class of gambling addict to do that, namely a hopeless case.. I think theres some mileage in some of the rumours, you build a model as to whose likely to go for who, and the internet was right about lloyd sam for instance, we all had a good idea that neill collins would be on his way as well, but its the worst type of gossip, lazy and not particularly creative. TheReaper08 @mattbb Just to add my two penneth as a dedicated punter Betfair is not a Bookmaker as you are not betting against them but against other punters. As Leeds Leeds Leeds states they are an exchange, they merely put someone who wants to bet in contact with someone who wants to take that bet. TSS I’ve used Betfair so know what you mean, but I assume you’re all aware they do make money from the service? A company making money from people placing bets is a bookmakers, surely? TheReaper08 @TSS Betfair do actually have an official arm that operates as a traditional bookmaker but that’s not what we most associate them with. What we most relate Betfair with is a betting exchange, for a small cut they provide a service of introducing people that want to bet with those that want to receive the bet. It’s a technicality but one that makes them an exchange. Most importantly and this is the critical difference Betfair have no interest in who wins or loses. There are quite a few other differences but I think I can hear people nodding off so I will stop now. Colin @TheReapero8 @tss Personally i think of them as a bookmaker although I’m wrong in thinking that. I appreciate that they’re not officially a bookmaker. But if you go to oddschecker.com their odds appear in there also, together with all the real bookmakers. Betfair are a very very cute company – the amount of money they make is insane (i’ve cut and pasted some of this). They complete over 6,400,000 transactions a day. They basically take 5% commission of each successful bet (but if you’re an habitual gambler then that does reduce slightly) I find their interface more friendly than most bookmaker sites and am not diligent in transferring the money from my Betfair account back into my account so it sits in their account. As soon as you put the bet on the money’s in their account – it takes a few days for it to be transferred to your account but when you put it in, it’s immediate. I put a couple of bets on Eurovision this year and you can see the total amount of money being gambled – it’s many millions. In April 2010 they signed up their 3,000,000 registered customer. Scary numbers! Scary profit! TheReaper08 @colin Familiar with the old saying you never meet a poor bookie/betting exchange (I revised it for modern times). Personally I still prefer the traditional bookie, even worse I still in enjoy a visit to the betting shop ! Matt BB @thereaper08 Hey dont get me wrong i think lita is crud as well, but was just pointing to the fact that Middlesbrouh is the elephants graveyard for centre forwards, i think brian clough was the last good one they deployed. Bill Fox And more to the point Lita went off the boil some 18 months/2 years ago. Don’t see him as good enough I am afraid. Bill Fox But….you are right I think in that Betfair just use the rumours to hook people in and then flash their ads at you….so, surprised the bait wasn’t better than Lita!! Ebanks-Blake…..? Matt BB He did go off the boil some time ago, but then again name me a striker who has done well at middlesbro? The striker we take on wont be someone we’ve heard of.. TheReaper08 @mattbb But he has been on loan several times and not looked particularly good either. Matt BB hopefully larry will have picked up on that, though his loan sifgnings tend not to be very nomadic, trundle, vokes, dickinson, hang on, he has signed some pretty awful strikers! timm I suppose this is where the knowledge & nous of a football manager comes in? I agree that Lita went off the boil a good while ago & he’d be a massive gamble. He could be a Beckford or he could be a Ricketts! He needs to be on a 1yr contract if we sign him. Dje If we sign him for 500k then I want him on more than one year contract! timm But what if he turns out to be another Ricketts? Or a Kandol? We have to be careful. 1yr with first option on extending it. Kandol & Robinson are currently costing us the best part of 30k a week, & if that wasn’t the case you’d probably see Hooper in a white shirt by now. Too many players lose their hunger when they get a long contract. If we sign Lita we need to keep him on his toes. TheReaper08 @Dje If we sign him for 500k I will be asking for a 450k refund and a 2yr contract. Matt BB i just cant see us signing him he doesnt have a good pedigree, he had a good season at reading, after an ok one at bristol city, but he has a record of off the field problems and I cant see Grayson going for that. Grayson seems to go for players who have a proven record at that particular level, who have a clean disciplinary record, and generally with strikers who arent too old. I’d heard Hulse was pushing for a move to Leeds, but i suppose that becomes marginal in terms of his age if I apply that rationale? Ebanks Blake would be an excellent acquisition. Dje @mattbb If Paynter is supposed to be a big sol;id player who is good in the air and getting on the end of crosses, why do we need Hulse? Makes no sense to me. I’d prefer pace or trickery than another big guy who is good in the air. Dje @timm I see your point but considering how many strikers Middlesbrough have on their books – and how keen they are to offload their wage bill – I’d try to get him for a fraction of that price and set aside the 500k we saved to pay him 10k a week for an extra year. It doesn’t say a lot about confidence if we are taking a player on who we presume is going to turn out crap and need to be rid of at the end of the season. If you presume that they are going to excel and re-find their touch under the mastership of Grayson then you don’t want another club getting a Bosman agreement in place with the player six months after he has begun to shine. Considering we are having this conversation about the unlikeliness that Lita is going to be any good, I sincerely hope that we stay well wide of signing him and thus never know! Rothwellbornandleft I like Lita. Don’t believe the rumour, but wouldn’t be disappointed if we signed him. Craig Tell it like it is TSS – brilliant article! Craig I took a look at Lita’s stats last week and I have to say they looked decent. I’ve not seen him play though. I think its a case of playing strikers in a position where they thrive best and feeding their fragile egos. If Lita is to be our ‘big buy’ it must be (hopefully) because Grayson knows how he wants to play next year – and I do think he’s going to tinker with the system so we aren’t as reliant on a Beckfordesque player – and that he believes Lita will fit well into it. TheReaper08 @craig What stats were you looking at craig because he looks average to me, his goal ratio is less than Becchio’s. Craig @TheReaper08 Wikipedia I think. If they aren’t that special it may have been the lad from Villa I was looking up. I can’t remember. My mind is mostly full of preparing for a trek to Peru. Craig I’ve just read the interview with Jeff Stelling. We should be flattered that he’s tipping us for the playoffs but confused by the following two quotes: “Next season I think they’ve (Leeds) got a good chance of making the play-offs. I don’t think that the Championship is going to be that strong.” “As far as the Championship goes, it’s a tough division…” Matt BB yes well it seems even rhe mighty jeff is prone to the odd booboo.. i think we have a fair way to go in terms of both quality and depth of squad though before we can think about playpffs, survival first… les irwin leroy lita still alive then ??????!!!!!!!!!! i have to say based only on loan signings of the present king mr grayson i wouldnt be surprised .we had some pretty dodgey loans done by him in the striker market ,trundle ,vokes , etc how many goals was that .dont need two hands thats for sure, how many and i dont know cos i havent looked, promotion players last season were signed by him who played regularly and made a proper impact ? now back to lita if we offered half a mill for him im sure gordon strachan would put him in a wheelbarrow and push him the whole of the way to leeds ,but you have to say at the moment he fits into the leeds united transfer market this season HE IS CHEAP ,PUT YOUR HANDS UP IF YOU THOUGHT PROMOTION TO CHAMPIONSHIP MEANT THAT LEEDS MIGHT SPEND A FEW QUID ON SOME DECENT PLAYERS TO AT LEAST COMPETE AT THIS LEVEL ,kandol is better than lita, iam better than lita goal of the season and top scorer in my team in 93/94 season alright at 41 and 11/12ths im no chicken but i will play for nowt if we sign him and im better lol TheReaper08 @number1inyorkshire I have my hand raised, I keep consoling myself with the fact there is still quite a few days of the window open and that most of the business is done in the last week. Matt BB @thereaper08 so hand on heart do you think Bates will be rubbing his hands together and hoping Somma, Becchio and Paynter are enough and that he doesnt need to replace Beckford.. I have to admit I am beginning to think that. Craig @mattbb That may well be what Bates – and others – are thinking and it might also be true. As last season progressed it was clear that we were becoming a one trick pony as far as scoring goals was concerned and I think that it was the endless speculation about Beckford’s loyalty that was at the heart of our bad patch. I think Grayson’s comments about scoring goals across the whole team are wise and if the three mentioned are able to play together in such a way that they share our goal tally between them I won’t be dismayed. TheReaper08 @mattbb Who knows mate, I certainly hope not. Still holding out hope of that big signing. Mike Allright number on in yorkshire leave your email and i will send it to larry and tell him about this cocky sod who is worth a punt cos he is free and plays for fun , Colin @mikelufc hold on a minute, i’m just putting the pieces together here – No. 1 in Yorkshire is cocky, he was a top striker in 93/94, he’s 41 years of age and he’s on a free. @number1inyorkshire – is your real name Paul Dickov? les irwin now hat makes you think im traying to say how good iam i maybe trying to say how bad lita is .but you should of seen that goal “just inside my own half two midfielders closing in 4 yards in from the touchline one look up BANG like a diagonal rocket right in the top corner i knew it was in as it left the boot .all that was missing was andy gray “take a bow son take a bow “sorry i digress ,no im not dickov i was better than him LOL LOL !!!! the point is do we think that grayson would buy a player who is no better than what we have PS i would gladly go for a trial as im sure we all would Chareose On Betfair omg people always argue of technicalities dont they…. its a website where you can BET so to billy no brains like me its a betting website….. Besides which it gives me an idea to start up my own blogging sites and post constant stories about potential transfers of Tottenham and Man Us best players to all and sundry….(revenge on the Daily Mail) Because of all the punters rushing to my sites seeking news I will receive masses of advertizing income thereby ensuring the growth of my own wee empire…. this income will then fund future Leeds United transfers :o) Matt BB @Chareose yes indeed that was the point i was making.. you go on the website you make a bet.. who cares if its a betting eschange or a turf accountant. TheReaper08 @matbb Perhaps the people that asked the question care ? But I’m only guessing. @charoese I don’t argue technicalities I try to provide factual information to those that require it. Oh and your not being a billy no brains cos it is a betting website. Matt BB @thereaper08 ok! perhaps they do, but as per the many subsequent mails, its a betting site.. but i admire your altruistic approach to providing accurate information!! Speaking of dull discussions which have little bearing on leeds united, has anyone seen Cardiffs accounts released today, another ridsdale disaster, theyve managed to decrease their turnover, and despite selling their finest.. players and making £5M have made a loss generally, i think nearly £11M so two years of making a loss. I suppose Ridsdale will be aiming for a 6 month loss of £60M like he did at Leeds. Craig Where are these seven Brazilians who were supposed to be training with us? Haven’t seen any mention of them for a while. Matt BB @craig sat in the airport lounge at Sao Paulo with the argentinian trialists we were promised 18 months ago! TheReaper08 @mattbb A great riposte and one that couldn’t be more spot on. I suspect the 7 Brazilians are now on trial with a Hungarian 3rd division team. Craig I’m passing through on the way to Peru on Friday. I’ll look out for them! Matt BB @thereaper08 @craig if youre in peru i rate your chances of finding eldorado higher than those of ken finding his chequebook before august… whilst his waffle o meter as ever remains in overdrive. brazilians… argentines who next shaolin fighting monks? Ross Taylor The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.