Leeds’ early season humiliation continued last night as The Whites were dumped out of the League Cup by neigbours Bradford City,

Once again the game swung on a careless red card, Leeds’ fourth in six games and already twice what we received last season.

Some may argue that David Hockaday has therefore been unlucky, but when you’re picking up red cards with such alarming regularity, you have to stop cursing your luck and start creating your own.

Luke Murphy, our latest red card recipient, could have no arguments with the referees decision for both the yellow cards he received were a result of stupid challenges, neither of which were necessary.

Whether it’s badly disciplined players, a formation the players are so uncomfortable in they’re making silly errors trying to fill the gaps or something else entirely, only Sam Byram’s was questionable, the rest were fully deserved and can’t be written off as bad luck.

What’s really frustrating is Luke Murphy shouldn’t have been on the pitch in the first place. In the opening games of this campaign he’s probably been our most disappointing player, yet his selection is seemingly guaranteed under David Hockaday. Surely this was a chance to try something different?

A League Cup tie against minnows like Bradford City is the perfect opportunity to rotate the squad and give some youngsters a go, perhaps play that 18-year-old attacking midfielder we signed from Milan then hid in a broom cupboard? Or maybe the homegrown youngsters our future allegedly hinges on? We could even bring Alex Mowatt (who is fully fit, in case you’re wondering) in from the cold.

Instead, Leeds went with a hugely experienced squad including the likes of Michael Tonge and David Norris, along with regulars such as Luke Murphy, Jason Pearce and Billy Sharp, players who’ve a long season ahead and should surely be rested on such occasions?

It’s a line-up that makes no sense when you have players like Dominic Poleon and Lewis Cook desperately trying to make an impression and deserving of the opportunity ahead of journeymen like Tonge and Norris who have no future at the club.

Had The Hock heeded calls to play the youth and a few more of the 12 players we’ve signed this summer, I could sit here and accept his excuses – it does take new players time to gel, inexperienced players will make mistakes. But only Bianchi was new to Leeds’ midfield, only Cooper new in defence. This wasn’t a squad who met yesterday.

Before the dismissal, there were some encouraging signs for Leeds. One/two touch passing moves, (albeit, against League One opposition) were good to see and we were controlling the fixture fairly comfortably – as you’d expect given how experienced the squad was.

The trouble is, it wasn’t particularly exciting to watch because we weren’t creating anything noteworthy. Matt Smith headed a few chances high and wide and that was about it really. We don’t stretch teams well enough and create the gaps Billy Sharp would be deadly in, it’s all very narrow, predictable and fairly easy to defend against – and this was a League One defence, not a top six Championship defence.

It’s not like we don’t have the players to address this either, all we have to do is return to the 4-5-1/4-3-3 formation we always look more threatening playing and have two from Ajose, Poleon and Antenucci playing alongside Sharp. Instead we persist with the God-awful diamond system.

With ten men, Bradford took control of the tie and a goal looked inevitable but it was to be Leeds who struck first, Matt Smith finally hitting the target to head home a good cross from David Norris.

Only 8 minutes left on the clock, it looked to be snatch and grab stuff from Leeds. Even with ten men, you’d expect an experienced Championship side to contain a League One side without too much trouble. Unless you’re Leeds United of course, then you know better by now.

It took the hosts just 3 minutes to equalise with a great 20-yard strike from Knott. The chance came from a corner headed clear and if I was going to be picky, there’s a case for the defence to be rushing out quicker after clearing their lines, which could have resulted in more bodies in his way, but there wasn’t much time to react in fairness and it was an excellent strike.

Bradford’s winner was a good goal too, Hanson using a well-paced cross to score a powerful header, but Liam Cooper allowed Hanson to get in front of him making things much easier.

Crowd trouble followed which led to a hefty nine minutes of added time, but it wasn’t enough for Leeds to level things. A disappointing result, but few will be surprised after the disastrous start we’ve made to the season.

On and on…

Leeds' early season humiliation continued last night as The Whites were dumped out of the League Cup by neigbours Bradford City, Once again the game swung on a careless red card, Leeds' fourth in six games and already twice what we received last season. Some may argue that David Hockaday has therefore been unlucky, but when you're picking up red cards with such alarming regularity, you have to stop cursing your luck and start creating your own. Luke Murphy, our latest red card recipient, could have no arguments with the referees decision for both the yellow cards he received were a result of stupid challenges, neither of which were necessary. Whether it's badly disciplined players, a formation the players are so uncomfortable in they're making silly errors trying to fill the gaps or something else entirely, only Sam Byram's was questionable, the rest were fully deserved and can't be written off as bad luck. What's really frustrating is Luke Murphy shouldn't have been on the pitch in the first place. In the opening games of this campaign he's probably been our most disappointing player, yet his selection is seemingly guaranteed under David Hockaday. Surely this was a chance to try something different? A League Cup tie against minnows like Bradford City is the perfect opportunity to rotate the squad and give some youngsters a go, perhaps play that 18-year-old attacking midfielder we signed from Milan then hid in a broom cupboard? Or maybe the homegrown youngsters our future allegedly hinges on? We could even bring Alex Mowatt (who is fully fit, in case you're wondering) in from the cold. Instead, Leeds went with a hugely experienced squad including the likes of Michael Tonge and David Norris, along with regulars such as Luke Murphy, Jason Pearce and Billy Sharp, players who've a long season ahead and should surely be rested on such occasions? It's a line-up that makes no sense when you have players like Dominic Poleon and Lewis Cook desperately trying to make an impression and deserving of the opportunity ahead of journeymen like Tonge and Norris who have no future at the club. Had The Hock heeded calls to play the youth and a few more of the 12 players we've signed this summer, I could sit here and accept his excuses – it does take new players time to gel, inexperienced players will make mistakes. But only Bianchi was new to Leeds' midfield, only Cooper new in defence. This wasn't a squad who met yesterday. Before the dismissal, there were some encouraging signs for Leeds. One/two touch passing moves, (albeit, against League One opposition) were good to see and we were controlling the fixture fairly comfortably – as you'd expect given how experienced the squad was. The trouble is, it wasn't particularly exciting to watch because we weren't creating anything noteworthy. Matt Smith headed a few chances high and wide and that was about it really. We don't stretch teams well enough and create the gaps Billy Sharp…

Bradford City 2-1 Leeds United

Stuart Taylor
Scott Wooton
Jason Pearce
Liam Cooper
Stephen Warnock (MOTM)
Tomasso Bianchi
Michael Tonge
David Norris
Luke Murphy
Billy Sharp
Matt Smith

Poor

Another poor game overall. Leeds United made to pay for yet another red card.

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  • Bucephalus

    I don’t regard it a ‘humiliation’ to play for 60 mins with 10 men, away from home, and almost win the game.
    I thought the team showed they are playing for Hockaday – the exact opposite to last season when they practically gave up for McDermott. We played some good stuff, mixing up short passing with some long ball. I thought Wotton & Norris both did pretty good. In fact Wotton was better than Byram at right back this season. Murphy seemed to be trying too hard this time, going into tackles he normally wouldn’t. We could/should have snatched a draw at the end with Smith header, and Taylor did well, apart from 2nd goal, which he should have saved.
    Id definitely keep going with Hockaday – good signs are there. We just need to badly win against Bolton, and keep 11 men on the pitch.

    • TSS

      It’s an expectations thing I guess. Even with 10 men, Bradford City are still a League One side I expect us to beat.

      As for keeping going with The Hock, it’s all so frustrating. His selections are baffling, the formation is awful, the style of play is to just pass across the defensive line with absolutely no threat or purpose. We’ve created nothing for two games, and while you can point to the red cards, we weren’t creating before that because the passing doesn’t go anywhere.

      Mosco from TSB just linked me to a pre-season match report containing choice quotes from FGR fans who describe The Hock’s passing game as “crabbing” ie. passing in straight lines across the pitch and making no advancement and that’s EXACTLY what it is. That’s why in two games we’ve had one shot on target.

      • Bucephalus

        This is so weird. For years most of wanted a team that actually passed to each other. Now we have one approaching that, you want to rename it ‘crabbing’. Can anyone follow the logic that is you keep the bloody ball you actually control the game? The tempo, the pace, etc.You actually get a breather retaining the ball. Its easier to last a game when you keep the ball. Has it been so long since we passed the ball at the club that you’ve all forgotten what passing is? Of course we need more quality, in the final third, but good signs are there

        • TSS

          I STILL want a team that passes the ball around, but we’re passing it without purpose. One shot on target in two games is not the result of a decent passing game. It’s nothing close to what I want – pass sideways x10, pass backwards, hoof forwards and repeat. That’s not a passing game, it’s containment at best – without a lead to contain.

          A proper passing game involves a player passing a ball, moving forwards, receiving again while other player moves etc… This creates gaps. We’re doing nothing close to that.

          • Bucephalus

            No one is denying we need more threat up front, but we are a work in progress, trying to integrate new signings, establish a team formation, teaching people after 3 years of hoof to keep the ball. It takes time – allow him that time.

          • JDC

            “Trying to integrate new signings”? Liam Cooper, Billy Sharp and Tomasso Bianchi in the starting 11 with 3 more on the bench … Zan Benedicic, Nicky Ajose and Mirco Antenucci, none of them used despite the team crying out for fresh legs.

          • JDC

            “A proper passing game involves a player passing a ball, moving forwards, receiving again while other player moves etc”. Doing exactly what Bradford did … we were that bad overall that Bradford looked to be a Championship side with Leeds from somewhere between Forest Green Rovers and Bradford City.

          • spellz

            Exactly this, I mean we are playing like we already have a 3-0 lead and we are trying to see the game out with a clean sheet, it is laughable except if you are a fan of this club.

          • djedjedje

            It’s pretty impossible to play this passing game without any width in midfield. You swing it across the back four and come to another dead-end, hence the lay back and hoof. Only over-zealous fullbacks, eager to get forward, could overcome this but Warnock, Byram, Biarandi, and Wooton all look nervous when they cross the halfway line – and rightly so, if they lose possession then there’s little cover.

            On one hand, you could say that when we do get some wide players in the squad, the back four have at least had six or so games of crabbing practice. At which point we could make some headway as a team. Only this relies on us getting hold of wide players and neither Hockaday or Cellino seem to make it a priority – which is deeply worrying – possibly because speedy wingers who have a go at fullbacks are likely to cost more than we’ll pay, possibly because these two simply do not understand how to read football to know where we are failing, which is equally worrying.

            On the other hand, you’d have to wonder why we continue to persist with the diamond when it is fruitless and likely to undermine confidence in the players and their trust in Hockaday’s abilities as a coach. I’m surprised the squad have stuck with him for so long.

    • Ro

      Murphy cost us the game and if we’d held on to draw or even win it, we’d be hailing Hockaday a hero this morning. The shame of last night was not being able to blood some new signings in a pressure situation thanks to Murphy’s ill-discipline. Would have liked to see Benedicic get a run and Cook also. The match was far from disastrous otherwise.

    • Uniteds21

      They played for BMAC up until Christmas before hey gave up – this season they seem to only play for a maximum of 60mins in any match. Unfortunately we are the laughing stock of english football at the moment but sure there is always Sat….

    • You sound like the Hock, maybe you are working him with your hand up his but! If you think the post match comments from Hock – “The players put a shift in and I got the tactics right” are the comments of an acceptable Leeds manager then think again. This game is about man management and the team reflects our current manager. Woeful displays and we are kicking everyone of the park. This is an attitude issue of the manager and the players. If we leave these idiots to ‘get on with it’ as you suggest then we will be playing Bradford twice in the league next season. As we are using cliches: if it looks like a pig, smells like a pig, it is usually a pig….enough said

  • Ropey Wyla

    what game were you watching? 10 heroes on the pitch for Leeds who gave everything but succumbed to numerical advantage. Of course the coach played a strong team, he just escaped the sack, hardly the time to experiment. Totally unreasonable to see it any other way.

    • TSS

      Heroes? For scraping defeat against an L1 side? Christ, someone did a number on us if that’s acceptable these days.

    • Nick Jed

      I can’t work out if this is sarcasm?

    • Ryan Swift

      definitely sarcasm. has to be. expectations of a Leeds United side surely can’t be so low despite all that’s happening. I wouldn’t call that a strong team. he persists with the same midfield which succumbs to the same problems every game.

      • jones

        Agree with most of whats been said. I can not believe we still struggle to create any chances. This makes Mccormacks goals even more lmpressive. Larry had his problems in defence, but at least we played higher tempo stuff at times and created alot. That was mainly down to players like max and snod, howsen’s runs from midfield and of course bechio getting on the end of things. This lot just has no quality or pace.

    • spellz

      Either trolling or the funniest post of contrasting views in a while, we were abysmal if they were heroes on the night what would the score have been if we played well and not so heroic?

  • Bluesman

    What made me cringe was that ther were no sendible, organised and thought through substitutions, except for Poleon st tge end ehen hecshould hsve scored and Sharp,would have scored. Bewildering selection, substitions. Youth,,dont make me laugh! No chance. Hockmis fighting for his life.

  • LincolnWhite

    I can join in with much of your article – especially the part reflecting Hockaday’s reluctance to play anyone who might just bring energy and excitement into our midfield play – but I have a major beef with the headline writer, It’s rather like the gutter press (including YEP sport section) who seem to relish in ridiculing Leeds, regardless of whether it’s an exaggeration or not! Yes we didn’t offer more than glimpses going forward, but might have won – Warnock and Smith did have chances (yes, I know it’s about taking them!) so it’s not as though it was as one-sided as the word ‘humiliating’ suggests. I’m not saying we deserved to win, because we clearly didn’t, but please don’t join the redtop headline ‘laugh at Leeds’ brigade.

    • TSS

      Fair points, but as I said below, it’s expectations. I fully expect us to beat League One sides comfortably, even if we’re down to 10 men I expect us to be more threatening than we were, so for me, it was a humiliating display and result.

    • spellz

      Scroll down to match stats, where it is black and white we was humiliated, dominated in every department by a league 1 side, fortunately took the lead in the 82 and still lost it , sorry but it is bleak atm, brilliant headline the fans need to wake up and smell the coffee we are awful at present and in danger under this ridiculous system of 3 shots on target in 3 games as Henri pointed out to me, of a long run without taking points.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28862805

  • Tim

    We might be passing the ball around but it is so boring and predictable and generally goes nowhere. We need to see some magic and excitement. Apart from the late goal Smith offered nothing and is just too slow for the modern game. We have good youngsters and a raft of new players and this was an opportunity to give them a chance. In the scheme of things this competition is not important to us and there is no bravery in the team selection.
    Bolton on Saturday will define our season in many ways. I have tried to be supportive of Hockaday, a decent hardworking individual but I have to come to the conclusion that his experience and thought process doesn’t go beyond British journeymen footballers and to make this experiment work we need a European coach to bring it all together.
    It’s harsh, but he needs to go otherwise Cellino is just wasting money on bench warmers.

  • Steve Marsh

    The hocks passing game is simply ‘pass sideway,pass sideways, pass back, hoof. Clearly not working or not working yet. To take it forward we need clever attckers and attacking midfielders. Which begs the point, why did he pick norriss last night ? We have an ex milan youngster on the bench who surely would have given us that option, and also cook who would surely have been better. Nothing against norris but he’s not exactly the future of this club is he ? Thats not to mention other talented youngsters we have, or the others on the way. Hock said that sloth would not be involved last night, but wtf why shouldn’t he have been ? We were playing a league 1 side in a tin pot cup ffs. The way its going the hock is going to fall back on that old cliche “in our position we need experienced heads, its not a time to be blooding youngsters”. Oh well, another season of toiling and grinding.

    • NottsWhite

      The comments about Sloth demonstrate the inconsistency of Hockaday. According to Hockaday Sloth did not play against Bradford because of fitness but he would be in contention for Saturday. Therefore he can get one player match fit in 3 days but does not play Benedici because he is not fit yet we have had him for weeks !

  • NottsWhite

    I am afraid that this game did nothing but convince that Hockaday is totally out of his depth. When the pressure is on he persists with the players and formation that has consistantly failed him. It was also interesting to see only 1 of Cellino’s imports in the side – a show of defiance ? or a coach who is not on board with the club’s current ethos when push comes to shove ? Players consistently getting sent off shows a total lack of discipline. At half time while the team were making their way back to the changing rooms we have our management team of tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber sat in the dugout arguing about what to do next. During the second half it was clear that players were flagging, no substitutes, we scored, no substitutes to defend the lead, they equalised, no subs to keep in the game, finally after going behind he brings on a player. If he is not sacked before Saturday then the Bolton match should be his last game. Cellino needs to make the change before this chump does irreperable damage

  • LEEDS 12

    Hockaday out!!!!!!!

  • LEEDS 12

    I cant cope anymore we are embarrassing and it hurts

  • Chris Taylor

    The problem for me is that the starting line up was full of players who will work hard and I don’t argue the fact they didn’t but they offer no quality what so ever. Why was Charlie Taylor not playing to give him the experience he needs, why did we not have sloth, benedicci and cook in the midfield, and why not try antenucci and Poleon upfront and I also wondering why adjose seems to be out in the cold when for me has done nothing wrong?? I don’t doubt for one minute Murphy’s red card changed the game but why at 1-0 up did we not make any substitutions?? It was for all to see the players were running on empty and fresh legs had to be brought on but no hockaday sat back and let Bradford back into the game. I was all for giving the guy a chance but I’m sorry he’s had it and so far ive seen nothing that would suggest things will get any better so he has to go and soon, yes the players are working hard for him but they probably feel sorry for the guy too.

    • JDC

      There was one glaring omission from the starting 11 for me, Berardi … it surely can’t be said that he’s not fit? OK he’s had a three game suspension for his sending off, but unless he’s on punishment duty he’s an international RB but our coach decides to use a makeshift in the guise of Scott Wootton … WHY? The second question is why the inclusion of David Norris, who hasn’t playerd a first team game for over a year, rather than Lewis Cook, Alex Mowatt, Zan Benedicic, or even Nick Ajose in a left side midfield role, at least he has pace?

  • Bluesman

    Clearly different views, but think about the passing of Howson et al. And how far are we away from a good midfield unit tgat cannpass and control, attackwith ease etc. we are a long way from being a confident, able unit and crabbing as they now call,it just doesnt do it for me. Justt look back at some of those games and assess where we are now? Iwill,tell you nowhere near as good! The coaching and selection has to improve.

  • PCWhite

    Can’t shake the feeling that the Murphy red card looked like match fixing.

    As for Hockaday, get Eddie Gray in the dugout and let’s get this show on the road. ;)

    • spellz

      You know I actually dont see why not he loves Leeds down to the ground and is very tactically Savvy, he could not do worse and the passion would be evident.

      • PCWhite

        Exactly mate. He would galvanize the fans also, and MC wouldn’t dare treat him like his bitch.
        Some say Eddie was the brains behind the O’Leary era too.
        Personally I can’t see any negatives to the appointment.

        • spellz

          I am all for it, I mean when he is doing an interview with Hock he must really in his head be thinking give me your position and this would not be happening, maybe we should get a petition sent of to MC to get him appointed. :)

          • PCWhite

            Facebook campaigns have been know to make a difference? ;)

            MOT

        • henrymouni

          I don’t think he would take the job.
          Not with the players we have just now.
          He has seen too much of them to be suckered into it.
          Professional footballers should have all the skills already, and the coach keeps them fit and polishes moves, and works on weaknesses.
          Passing, crossing, shooting & tackling are skills they all should have.
          If they cannot do the basics now, they never will!
          If you can play, the system does not matter too much.

          • PCWhite

            I agree with what you’re saying about the players abilities, and what’s done is done in that respect. But the Manager/Coach set up needs to change. Eddie would be a far better advisor to MC, and would be better at identifying potential signings. His presence would have a major boost on our ’12th man’, and even if we had a team of ‘Barn Door Billys’ I can’t see him refusing to give everything he’s got for his beloved Leeds. He is someone who really would ‘run through brick walls’ for our team, and if he kissed the badge you’d know he meant it. Counts for a lot.

          • henrymouni

            Totally agree!
            Eddie is a top man and an honest one.
            He has the ability to see what is happening on the pitch very quickly.
            However, he does not rate many of this squad, and blames them more than the coach.
            Whether he would want to put up with Massimo and Massimo’s choice of players is another stumbling block.
            Eddie would bring the young players through but he would need to select his own players, which would be another clearout.
            Massimo owns the club and if he brings 10 players in he expects the coach to play them.
            I suspect the Hock would have Taylor as no1 goalkeeper if it was up to him!!

          • PCWhite

            MC’s style of management is a cross we will have to bear for now, but maybe Eddie could help him see that he needs to adjust his methods for the Championship?

            With the full support of ER (and he would 100% have mine) he could provide a little more balance, and reduce the gulf between the ‘President’ & the ‘Coach’.

            I can’t think of anyone else who could achieve this.

            MOT

    • Forget about the dugout, get Eddie on the pitch, it would be better than most of them out there!!

  • spellz

    If Hockaday openly takes responsibility for the coaching, in his own words “that is what I have come here to do, coach the players select the system and formation for match day” then he needs to go he is vastly inexperienced at this level and I do not think we could have had any worst of a start under anybody else, maybe bar Fulhams Felix Magath. I always give a manager a chance but this guy was the wrong appointment from the start, we all knew it then and we all deep down know it now, if we do not get rid of him we might be in the same division as Forest Green Rovers!!!

    M.O.T AA

    • LincolnWhite

      Hockaday may well be a very good ‘coach’ – ie doing work on the training ground – but his choice of tactics and team selection can only be described as ‘baffling’ for much of the time.

      • spellz

        If he was just a training coach and he was very good (which he is clearly average at best) then fine but he has been given the task of everything a manager does other than buy players and for ‘Leeds United’ I knnow it is early and I hate change, personally I welcome stability but on that same note Hock is out of his depth with the size and history of our club, I know he is not the man to take us forward at this stage.

        • LincolnWhite

          I don’t think we’re saying anything different. I said ‘may well be a very good coach’ trying to give him the benefit of the doubt since players are reported as saying ‘they enjoy training’, and I have no evidence as to the quality of his actual training. It’s the team selection and tactics which I question, and probably the issue of getting the players to convert training into match play (if the training is any good).

          • spellz

            I know were not saying much different other than ‘maybe he is a good coach’ which at this stage due to what you said about tactics and team selection there is not much evidence that he is even that, I think this task is way too monumental for him.

  • becchio10

    Hockaday will be gone after the Bolton game, its an international break and a good time to get rid, simple as that.

  • sos mike

    I cannot believe what happened last night, stupid red card again to put pressure on the team, but to actually score with only 8 minutes left I thought we had sneaked it but no not any thought of what to do to hang on to the lead, should have taken a striker off and put a midfielder on, maybe Cook and fill the midfield to support the defence for last 10 minutes, it may not have been pretty but would have put us into the next round. I wanted to give D.H. a fair chance but he is not thinking of changing anything same midfield with no improvement and the only sub on near the end, needs to change things earlier, should have had Cook on last night to give bit more pace in midfield. lets hope things change for Saturday M O T

  • markman

    Hockaday is at a disadvantage as for every game he has a team of 10 against 11.

    The Murphy sending off was down to lack of discipline from him,however,discipline comes from the coach.
    Murphy should be made to run around the pitch 25 times and be given 100 lines I MUST NOT CHARGE IN LEANING BACKWARDS FEET OFF THE GROUND,LIKE I WAS TAUGHT IN UNDER 11 GAMES.

    The worrying thing is we are so easy to play against.the defence looked all over the place,a poor unimaginative midfield and a toothless attack. they scored a couple a good goals and deserved to win.

    Cellino will need to see a marked improvement all round against bolton,or,i suspect the pistol will be coming out of the holster.

    • spellz

      I totally agree, I mean the double yellow was ridiculous and every time we walk out and play the coach/manager needs to organise his troops to go to battle and to win, atm this is the most tame and average as I have ever seen in my 31 years of a Leeds fan we are potentless like a scorpion with his tail severed we lack a sting. (sorry for the poor analogy)

    • JDC

      Correct markman, he is at a disadvantage but, he says that he picks the team, sets the formation and determines the tactics … his responsibility. However, he continues to publicly criticise his players for the mistakes they make. Sounds a bit like someone else we all are familiar with … the new manager of Crystal Palace anybody, Neil Warnock and despite my dislike of the man, given the support that DH has been given the guy would be in seventh heaven.

      • markman

        correct and NW had a great record of getting clubs promoted

    • Conceived-a-White

      Murphy will still pick up his wages this week. He doesn’t deserve them. MC should fine the twat. Does he not realise the damage he has done? He helped Bradford win. Full stop. Disgusting. The Hock is out of his depth. Totally. All these ‘give him longer opinions’. Are you sure? If we give him to say end of October we’ll be in the bottom 3. Sort the problem NOW FFS.

      • Tyler75

        Completely agree with these comments. The pattern of sendings off is endemic of a system that the players aren’t comfortable with and isn’t working and a complete lack of anything resembling disciplined coaching – both down to The Hock. Yet again after the match he claims that he got it ‘tactically right’ – it really does beggar belief – except we are Leeds Utd, so maybe it doesn’t. I absolutely pray that Mr Big Wheel’s analysis is correct and MC is playing for time so that he can get in a real coach.

  • Jimmy

    Agree with all comments made, just reflects we all might be looking at the difficulties that LUFC are experiencing from different angles and as such the concerns are bound to vary, but the one constant fact shared by all is simply “Get rid of DH”!
    There is only one or two crumbs of comfort from last night, MC will eventually fire the bullet and it was a cup match not a promotional fixture!
    We can now concentrate on building a squad in a slightly less busy fixture year, with less opportunities for red cards, injuries etc.!
    Looking forward to Saturdays game and praying for a result!
    MOT

  • mrbigwheels

    Varied viewpoints… and not a great picture this morning.
    Let’s forget about playing football for the moment and hope a short space of time is going to be the healer to ‘Our Problem’.

    Put yourselves in MC’s shoes.
    The guy has dropped a bollock with this appointment, and he knows it.

    At the weekend Hock talked his way out of the sack, turned it all round onto MC infact and then took the Big Chair at the Top Table and put on his Coaching Crown.
    Meanwhile MC, who is actually quite busy, I’m sure… has time to really think about the only two options he has before him to save the season…

    1, How do I get rid of this guy, and hold my hands up to the fans?.
    2, Appoint a new Coach who can drive my Ferrari properly.

    Answer….
    ‘Leave things for a few weeks to let Dave sink or swim or let him play with some rope, giving me breathing space to sign in a European Coach, (I’ve given a British one a chance, sorry girls/boys…. thought it would work), then with one Italian Wave, I’ll sack one and announce the other…. Everyone will be happy and I win. I hope I don’t get too cross on Saturday, if we lose and blow my cunning plan or Dave will tell me off again and I will be smoking 100 a day with all the shit still on my shoulders’…

    Imo…Give it time, we will recover….. the tortoise always won the race…
    .

  • Bluesman

    I was squarely behind the underdog until last night! The sending off was not bad luck, it was indiscipline, poor form and ineffective coaching. I just wish that Carbone or Fergie had been innthe dugout. The furore would have been heard in Bristol! We need quality on the bench not religious adherence to the diamond and the same old chums! And, if Celino wants advice about how to carry on in the Championship he wants to consider opinions of some of the knowledgeable people on this site!

  • Football4all

    Stop panicking! Yes a disappointing start, but give Hockaday 4-5 weeks AFTER the transfer window has closed at least. It takes time to build a quality side. We will be quality but it can’t happen overnight. My guess is that those who are suggesting to sack Hockers are out to try and sabbotage the club or don’t understand about business, industry or football. Patience pays and a saying like ‘when the going gets tough the tough get going’ doesn’t come from nowhere. Turning a big ship like Leeds is no easy task. Both MC and Hockers need to be left to get on with it.

    • This is not a big ship it is a football team. If you think the post match comments from Hock – “The players put a shift in and I got the tactics right” are the comments of an acceptable Leeds manager then think again. This game is about man management and the team reflects our current manager. Woeful displays and we are kicking everyone of the park. This is an attitude issue of the manager and the players. If we leave these idiots to ‘get on with it’ as you suggest then we will be playing Bradford twice in the league next season. As we are using cliches: if it looks like a pig, smells like a pig, it is usually a pig….enough said

  • henrymouni

    Bradford were better than us in all departments.
    Our first ‘shot’ on target was the 84th minute.
    This after no shots on target at all, in the last game.
    Bradford put more dangerous crosses into the box than we have in the last 10 games.
    Warnock put a cross in that sailed 20 feet over Smith’s head.
    How bad is that?
    We passed around in circles, whereas Bradford passed to draw us out of position and slot their players in.
    Our players always seem to be marked, but Bradford had free players all over the pitch.
    Our players gave everything they had last night, which says it all.
    Eddie Gray says our players are just not good enough, and coaching will not improve this.
    The Hock NEVER stood a chance!!
    We have brought 10/11 players in but only 2 played last night.
    Not fit? Not good enough??
    Whatever system we play, the players are not good enough to play it!
    Murphy ran a long way to make that second stupid/mindless tackle.
    Plenty of time to pull out.
    The lad he fouled was on the half-way line.
    Makes no sense at all.
    Norris played very well.

  • Kevin Scorah

    Has Hockaday EVER given a press conference without referring to “putting a shift in”?
    It’s as if everything is ok as long as his team run around, sweat a lot and get muddy.

    • You are right Kevin, in his post match interview he even stated he got the tactics right. Who is he kidding? Certainly not us Leeds fans.

  • Koh Samui Whites

    I thought Taylor in goal and Smith up front were excellent. That,s where the positives end. Murphy must take the blame for his idiotic sending off. The second the Leeds goal went in the game should have been neutralized via substitutions but wasn,t and that,s Hockadays fault,nobody else. He,s a dead man walking in my opinion and most of it is self inflicted with naive formations and team selection. Cellino took a punt and it didn,t work.

    • henrymouni

      I would add Norris to the list.
      He has hardly played because of injuries for the last year or so and yet he played with heart, and put in an excellent cross for Smith to score.
      I thought he would give Cook a start, but there was no one else really on the bench that would help.
      He kept Smith and Sharp on because of the stick he took at Watford, and it nearly paid off.
      We should have been able to hang on after we scored, but we are not good enough to do that.
      Once the players take to the field, they are in charge of the game, not the coach.
      Decision making is not out forte.

      • Koh Samui Whites

        I think we also lack players with leadership qualities,as opposed to Leeds Rhinos who had 13 captains in attendance on Saturday.

    • Ev

      lol he only had two minutes to make subs before the goals went in….. no chance

      • Koh Samui Whites

        Does it take two minutes to make a substitution then? No it takes a second.

  • the bee wife

    Great piece again TSS. I agree with all/most of the comments, and would only be reiterating if I were to say anything. What I want to say is that not only do we feel upset, humiliated, angry etc, etc, it also costs us money! My husband & I (both working full time but also pensioners) spent upwards of £65 last night to travel to Bradford! A bite to eat with a drink, 2 tickets and coach travel, a drink at the ground – to watch that rubbish. Goodness how much some of you spend. When will it end…..

    • JDC

      In May, I met a couple (65/70’s) an hotel in Oulton, both wearing Leeds United shirts and passionate about all things LUFC. They told me they lived in Devon but had season’s tickets, and tried to attend as many away games as they could get tickets for. I thought about them last night after the game … did they get tickets? How much did it cost them? They would have spent money on their fuel (VW Passat) and an overnight stay (£150 including meal?), the cost of their tickets … wonder whether they thought it was worth it?

      • henrymouni

        YES!
        And that long depressing drive home!!

    • henrymouni

      I wish I could see an end bee wife!
      The fans are gold.
      The players are overpaid – Massimo is right there.
      Bradford players earned their money. Listening to the tripe that the coach and the players come out with makes you want to scream!

  • bd

    I think Hock has been very unlucky with the sending offs and needs to clamp down out it with a fine.I think he went for an experienced side because he wanted a win and thought that would be guaranteed. There are definitely better head coaches out there, but will they want to work with Cellino.?
    I am wondering has Cellinno asked Lennon or Pulis if they would be interested?would love Lennon, i really think he would take us far.

  • Ev

    Some people on here have suggested some unlikely conspiracy theories ………….you realise how much leeds losing games and being relegated could be worth to the betting community
    Someone suggested match fixing (to explain the red cards) and yes I have to admit it does make you suspicious……

  • Rebel White

    Murphy’s sending off last night could be seen coming a mile off. He created the situation for his first booking. I’m reminded of Georgie Best comment that there were many players who could trap a ball further than he could kick it. Well Luke Murphy joined that club last evening. Then, like a petulant 13 year old, he was going to kick the nearest opponent because of his own mistake. When he didn’t get a straight red,(and he could have), a blind man could see he should have been dragged off the pitch and replaced by someone who could actually play a bit and not be minding himself in each challenge. Hockaday can take him with him wherever he ends up. As for the potential replacements, I think Chris Hughton is worth a look. He’s been here and done that in both the Championship and Premiership!

  • tyr

    Come on be honest, how many really expected us to beat Bradford on theirs and our current forms, we have no width and a non league coach that doesn’t know his arse from his elbow.

    The humiliation is that Hock will be sacked and probably replaced by another cheap stool pigeon and the circus will continue with Cellino reverting to Serie B, does this man want relegation or promotion?Inexperienced coaching leads to incompetent performances as what is happening, results do not lie.