Hull TigersThink tinpot and a few teams instantly spring to mind. Doncaster Rovers, for signing a One Direction band member in a shameless publicity stunt. Cardiff City, for totally re-branding the club to appeal to people in Asia (who I suspect, still don’t care). And of course, MK Dons, for the franchise nature of their existence.

All three are perfect examples of how far a club is willing to go to make money. In Doncaster Rovers’ case, they’re not even trying to sell the football any more, they’ve given up completely and instead decided to attached themselves to some god-awful manufactured pop star and ride his coattails to the bank. Shameless stuff.

It makes you wonder just how far football is willing to go to make a few extra quid. At Leeds United recently, there’s been some speculation linking us to investment from Red Bull, the global drinks manufacturer whose investment model generally involves the complete rebranding of a club to match their corporate identity. Along with a change to Red Bull’s colours, a name change is usually included too. Austria Salzburg became Red Bull Salzburg, the New York MetroStars became New York Red Bull and SSV Markranstädt became RB Leipzig. All with matching kits and badges featuring the Red Bull logo and the name of the town/city below.

While most of the speculation at Leeds centred on stadium sponsorship, there was some concern Red Bull would attempt to take over the club in the mid to long-term, stripping us of our identity and adding us to the aforementioned collection of teams you’d struggle to separate in a line-up.

What really disturbed me was how many fans didn’t mind the idea of Red Bull Leeds. “Don Revie changed our club colours, no one minded that” some reasoned. Others didn’t care how or where the money came from, they just wanted success. At any cost, it seemed.

Step forward Hull City Tigers. The product of growing fan apathy and a willingness to accept any consequences, so long as the owners can sugar-coat them enough to make fans believe they’re a necessary evil of success.

Their owner, Assem Allam, did the sugar-coating;

“I have always used short names in business. It gives you power in the science in marketing. The shorter, the more powerful the message. In Tigers, we have a really strong brand.”

In this case, “really strong brand” is code for “mountains of cash” but he doesn’t explain how giving your team a cheesy name actually achieves that. Doesn’t a really strong brand usually grow from success? Manchester United aren’t known the world over because they have a devil on their crest, they aggressively grew their brand on the back of success they’d achieved.

“It is about identity. ‘City’ is a lousy identity. Hull City Association Football Club is so long.”

Manchester City must be scrambling for a re-brand upon hearing such words of wisdom from the Hull City Association Football Club Tigers owner. How on earth will they break into a global market and become successful with such a “common” and “lousy” identity?

Head of Hull City’s Official Supporters’ Club, Bernard Noble, admitted disappointment but manages to reason with the decision and suggests little action will be taken on the fans’ part;

“My personal opinion is I’m disappointed because I’m a bit of a traditionalist,

“But this guy saved us from liquidation and administration and it’s his club. I will still say ‘I’m going to watch City’, ‘I’m going to watch the Tigers’, ‘I’m going to watch Hull’. I will still say that and so will many other people.

“As far as Hull City Tigers is concerned, the fans – the 25,000 people who will be there for the first home game against Norwich – they’ll say ‘I’m off down to watch City’.”

Where once you’d have expected to hear fans up in arms after finding out their club had been renamed without consultation, here you have the head of a supporters’ group ready to accept the decision and move on.

His response can be shortened to “well, he saved us so we have to be thankful and accept the consequences.” No you don’t.

Such levels of apathy is what ruined the English game, supporters sitting back and refusing to do anything when the powers-that-be effect changes that you don’t agree with. It’s easier to reason with the changes and accept that’s “just how football is today,” but football is only heading in this direction because fans are allowing it to.

The reason I’ve been so impressed with Salah Nooruddin, Leeds United’s new chairman, is because he genuinely seems to understand the way football clubs should be run. Leeds United’s fans “are de facto owners” of the club, he reasoned, describing himself and GFH Capital as little more than caretakers, here to help guide the club back towards the promised land.

All football clubs should be run in consultation with the fans, just like they are in the hugely successful German Bundesliga. Like Allem, Nooruddin and GFH Capital came from an entirely different culture, but they’d seen the consequences of running the club as a dictatorship. The unpopular decisions Ken Bates made led fans to boycott Elland Road en masse, protests were staged on several occasions and the mood around the place was rarely conducive to success.

Ultimately, Ken Bates was forced to sell, Nooruddin and GFH Capital arrived, reversed the unpopular decisions he’d made and Elland Road was once again a place of harmony. All this was marked by the highest opening day attendance in 10 years.

Not all Hull City fans are so accepting of the changes, it has to be said. The Twitter account @Hull_Tigers was immediately set-up to RT the thoughts of those angered by the re-brand, but you fear they’ll be overwhelmed by the majority of supporters who can’t be bothered doing anything about it.

What must be remembered as we continue on this path towards the total Americanisation of football is that fans do have the power to effect change. The club-fan relationship is a symbiotic one, they need you as much as you need them. Commercialisation is an unfortunate necessity of the modern game, but lines have to be drawn somewhere. No one ever suggested Manchester United rename themselves the Manchester Red Devils because their fans simply wouldn’t accept it. Hull City Association Football Club Tigers fans don’t have to either.

@TSSLUFC

PS. While I have a great deal of sympathy for the fans who respect and want to preserve the history of their club, a part of me can’t help but think you brought this on yourselves…

  • Bleh

    just had to sneak in a jab at America huh?

    • TSS

      I have nothing against America, just the franchise model they use

      • bleh

        they also dont have the tier system where teams can jump up or go down in any of their professional sports, instead they let fanbases die down and up sticks for another city

      • philyew

        I’m sure you have your reasons for drawing this conclusion, but I can see a number of advantages in that system that might have helped English football to avoid the dire situation that many clubs find themselves in.

        The franchise model doesn’t determine ownership, the various leagues have rules, much like those supposedly in existence in English football, controlling who can and cannot be an owner. The NFL even has one team wholly owned by its fan base. How many teams in the EPL or FL can boast that fact?

        The franchise model enables and enforces revenue sharing to support franchises in smaller markets.

        It enables a salary cap to prevent teams like the MLB’s NY Yankees and NFL’s Dallas Cowboys (two of the top four sports brands in the world) from buying automatic annual success.

        Its player registration and free agency rules prevent the kind of insanity which periodically infects football with ludicrously high transfer fees (as is happening now) that prevent aspiring teams like Leeds from buying anything more than journeymen, and press them into selling academy products who show any promise.

        Yes, there are downside issues, such as the absence of other leagues extending the range of competition, but remember that the whole of England would fit into my adopted home state of Texas. The system is a reflection of the geographic scale of the country as much as the financial success that it has generated.

        I’ve been a Leeds fan for over 50 years and a Cowboys fan for over 30 years, so I hope my comments are based on some measured reflection.

        • TSS

          I’m not saying it doesn’t work in America, I’m saying it wouldn’t work in (proper) football.

        • -

          Tampa Bay Buccaneers are owned by the Glazers…as well as Manchester United. If the model would work here, why aren’t they now the Manchester Red Devils? I don’t think they’d stand for that, nor would it work.

          • philyew

            You misunderstand my comment, as I misunderstood TSS. He didn’t qualify that his aversion to the franchise model was only related to its possible use in English football, so I responded with some components of the system that I thought might have helped prevent the financial disaster that has befallen much of the game.

            That isn’t to say that I believe the franchise system should be adopted, but concepts of revenue sharing, salary cap and better player mobility options might prevent the grotesque spectacle of most teams knowing that they can never compete for the major honors.

            As for your comment about Tampa Bay, it is precisely for the above reasons that teams in the US system cannot expect to buy success every year. The point is that the US system prevents the ManU syndrome.

          • -

            A salary cap would be great, but we’re long past that being possible, and it would need worldwide agreement or England would no longer be competitive throughout Europe. But money doesn’t always guarantee success. Over £1b later (combined transfer and wage bill) and Manchester City have 1 Premier League title. North America needs the salary cap more than most in the MLS, now NASL?, after the failure of the first establishment of that league and it’s failure due to inflated salaries in the mid 80s. The only team that mattered in truth were NY Cosmos.
            But the rebranding of Hull City, compliant with the American model is wrong. American teams are known as the nickname, because for instance, the Dodgers weren’t always the Brooklyn Dodgers, moving to L.A. on the other side of the country. Hull City don’t need to brand as ‘Tigers’ because we should always be Hull City. The success over 10 years, being locked out of our ground and being 15 points clear or so at the bottom of football league 15 years ago, and surviving…the football world will not hear about that this summer, they will hear about this that makes us a laughing stock.
            But Mr. Allam will move the team to Melton if Hull City Council don’t sell the KC to him. I assume Hull FC would be kicked out if he takes ownership too.

          • -

            Also…Bradford…what a year for them last time out! I don’t think money bought them that League Cup success beating Arsenal and Wigan (FA Cup Winners) and many more to get to the final against Swansea. Great year for them, if only they’d won…they’d be in Europe!

            (Translated for the Allam family)

            Also…the Bantams…what a year for them last time out! I don’t think money bought them that League Cup success beating the Gunners and the Latics (FA Cup Winners) and many more to get to the final against the Swans. Great year for them, if only they’d won…they’d be in Europe!

          • philyew

            I fear you are right that the time has passed for changes that would restore a measure of sanity to the game as we know it, but – in my view – that means the increased likelihood of an eventual international franchise model, where billionaire owners play out a closed-shop European Super League, sucking in the cream of the revenue from international television rights.

            Fox Soccer Network here in the States already prefers to show warmed-over Champions League games from last season than live Championship action.

            I don’t think that the nicknames convention in American sports is primarily to support franchise mobility. While some franchises certainly have moved and retained their nicknames, there are plenty of examples of relocations triggering rebranding – at least 20 since 1960 in the three main domestic leagues.

            The change for Hull City is silly and inappropriate. It only works if the predominant convention is to refer to teams by nicknames. One team isn’t going to change the convention and, as a result, makes itself a laughing stock.

  • Doncaster

    Real Madrid wanted to do exactly the same thing Doncaster Rovers did, are they tinpot too, or does it only count if you’re a small club?
    Of course it’s a publicity stunt, one that will make huge amounts of money for Bluebell Children’s Hospice.
    The lad should be applauded for wanting to support a local charity rather than the Madrid offer, which would have netted him far more publicity.
    Doncaster Rovers should be praised for opening themselves up to ridicule by ignorant, misinformed people such as yourself, in order to help raise significant amounts of money for a very good cause.
    We’re not a franchise, a club changing it’s colours to suit a foreign market, or name to sound cooler to 8 year olds, we’re a club that works hard to support good causes.
    Try asking Bluebell Children’s Hospice, or former players Billy Sharp and Ian Duerden just how ‘tinpot’ we are for supporting them.
    TBF, we’ve had worse players than Louis Tomlinson in our squad in the past. ;-)

    Educate yourself (by which I don’t mean read WACCOE) regarding a subject before you go and embarrass yourself further.

    FWIW, totally agree re- Hull and Cardiff.

    • TSS

      I was actually aware of the charity thing with Louis Tomlinson and I suspect we too have had worse players in the past.

      But you can’t seriously believe the club pulled this stunt for truly altruistic reasons, I refuse to believe the publicity it was bound to generate didn’t factor into the decision.

      If this was simply about money for a charity, One Direction would throw a concert to 100,000 tone-deaf teenage girls in a park somewhere, then donate the gate receipts, they’d raise MUCH more that way.

      Donny signed on to raise the club’s profile, Tomlinson did it so he could live out a childhood dream. That they’ve raised money for a charity in the process is commendable, but it doesn’t change the fact this was an enormous publicity stunt for Donny.

      • Oxford White

        Sorry TSS usually agree with you and as a Leeds fan rarely Doncaster but on this we differ. Good on Donny and the pop lad for giving a shit and supporting the Hospice, dying kids needs are greater than football rivalry.
        Oxford White

      • Doncaster

        Why shouldn’t it be a win-win situation for all involved?
        Why shouldn’t Donny get publicity for helping out a local charity? In doing so, the charity get increased exposure too. Even ‘big’ clubs use their profile to point out the good they do for charitable organizations, and this in turn helps the charity further. It’s good for us, good for them. Win-win.

        Real Madrid wanted to do the same thing. Once again, are they tinpot, or is it just because it’s “the likes of Doncaster” doing it?

        re- the gig idea, Doncaster wanted to help support Bluebell, a truly wonderful organization, and this was a way of doing it. What 1D are willing to do for charity is on them, and nothing to do with us. One of them was willing to help out, and here we are.

        To suggest we’re tinpot and shameless attention-seekers for this is more than a little unfair. We do plenty as a club with no recognition at all, and only did so in this case because the publicity itself is the vehicle for raising money for the charity.

        Ridicule us all you like, it’s a small price to pay to help distraught parents and sick, frightened children through a terrible, heart-breaking time. As a parent, I can’t even imagine the depths of their despair and pain, and anything anybody can do to ease that burden just a little is real blessing.

  • Pozz Cat

    As I understand it, we were the catalyst for McDonalds changing their background colour nationwide. Anything’s possible if you stand together.

  • yorxman

    In other news: Morten Gamst Pederson released by Blackburn on a free…worth a gamble at ER?

  • hooch pandasnatch

    what colour where Leeds shirts before Don Revie? Great Manager, no respect for tradition. Hull Tigers

    • hooch pandasnatch

      Didn’t read full article, I’m very sorry!!!

      • hooch pandasnatch

        Also weren’t Leeds first team to have shirt sponsor. I did i just make that up. The smiley badge, although cool, surely wasn’t very traditional at the time.

        • TSS

          Badge is more to do with styles at the time, our first badge – and the smiley too – would look dated now, so they develop. Club’s name doesn’t change though.

    • TSS

      Pre-Revie, Leeds’ shirts always contained some combination of blue, yellow and white (with a red one we’ll ignore), just as they do today. The Yorkshire rose is white, the city’s colours are yellow and blue.

  • Hulldaz

    Why are you so sure that Hull city fans are willing to accept it ?

    • TSS

      I actually pointed out that some Hull City fans are
      against it, but you only have to read tweets on Twitter to see how many have
      reasoned with the decision or are so passive, they’ll simply let it happen
      without protest. Happened at Leeds with Bates for a few years, that’s why he
      lasted so long.

      • David Holmes

        Your right, it happens in football time and time again, look at Newcastle when Hall and Shepherd slagged the fans off to high heaven, they got away with it! and the more recent messing about with St James’ Park, owners know they have fans over a barrel.

      • Hulldaz

        It’s that thing of who are the supporters ?
        I have held a season pass for as many years as I dare to remember ! So many of the new bandwagon supporters don’t give a dam as long as they have seats for the Man U , Chelsea and Liverpool games !!!
        If we drop back down they will be long gone and we will be shouting city till I die ( not tigers till I die ) .
        We have had an official press release from Hull city board stating the name Hull city tigers plc is for the commercial side of the club ? They have no intention of changing its team name ! We shall wait and see …
        I for one will not advocate or support the sole use of the tigers in any of its team rebranding !

        • alexwitham93

          This season’s kit will have the old badge, next season they’ll have a new badge for Hull City Tigers. It’s already outside the training ground, despite the fact they’ve said they’ll design it with fan consultation…just wish the name was up for consultation too…we were lied to. It was all in the same press release.
          They’ve completely rebranded us.

  • David Holmes

    Actually, not a badly balanced piece from a Leeds fan.

    I must admit this rebranding thing has totally ruined my day, i am absolutely livid about it, and i know a lot of Hull City fans feel the sameway, not sure where they got that bloke from the Hull City supporters club, but he must be trying to brown nose his way into a free season pass or something, because everyone i have spoken to about it are livid.

    It’s a shame though, as the Allams had done a lot of good, obviously saving us from a financial meltdown been one, and then guiding us back to the premier league been another, but now this, this really leaves a sour taste in the mouth, it is terrible, and it is all based on nothing, just some vague assumption that loads of asians will develop an interest in Hull City, i agree with what you say, the asian market will only be tapped by those that are successful, and what you call yourself is by and large irrelevant.

    Where is he going to stop, why not move the club to London Mr Allam, call it London Tigers? afterall everyone has heard of London, now there’s an idea!!!

    • Mark Richardson

      The way you stop this is protest until you’re blue in the face. Say you’re not willing to accept it. 10 000 less fans in the stadium will cause a financial hit to the club that no amount of rebranding and “selling” to the middle east will be able to make up for, simply because a club struggling to survive in the Premier League isn’t something that is easy to sell.

      Make these bastards see that a football club isn’t just a saleable asset, it MEANS something to people.

      • alexwitham93

        I wouldn’t say it would…more than 10,000 people have season tickets, they already have their money in their pockets.

  • Football Fan

    I am sick and tired of being lectured by “traditionalist” football fans spouting the same old nonsense about the good old days, atmospheric old stadia and times when football had a soul. They conveniently forget the crumbling infrastructure, shameful hooliganism and clubs that went to the wall because of mis-management.

    I applaud the visionary chairmen who are modernising the game, making it fit for the times we live in. These guys are putting their money where their mouths are – making their clubs sustainable. Let’s not forget that modern football clubs ARE multi million pound businesses, made that way by fans who have demanded success over many years.

    • Mark Richardson

      Because clubs never go to the wall these days. That never, ever happens.

      Why is this “modernisation” so necessary and why is it “fit for the times we live in”?

      Why is a means of making money for some already rich men who you don’t know and have no desire to do anything to improve your life better than a football club that is part of your life and close to your heart and something that actually MATTERS. Something you actually have an emotional connection to?

      Why on earth is it OK to attempt to remove the emotional component of football in order to make money, just because “that’s how football is these days”? It’s only how football is these days because pathetic wastes of space like you refuse to stand up and do something about it. If I walked into your house and bent you over a table and attempted to stick my dick in your arse would you be as accepting of that? Because it’s been a while and I could use a shag.

      You make me fucking sick.

    • milano whites

      Are you related to Ken Bates? Football is being taken over by big business. German model definitely seems the way forward. Let’s get Qatari teams in UEFA champions like we have done with the Israeli’s! the game belongs to the supporters and football had far more passion and genuine players who loved their clubs in years gone by. Also, the hooliganism has not gone away…it is transerred to other venues. I

  • john

    The difference is that Leeds were a very different club before Don Revie. We didn’t have any history, didn’t have a big following or any traditions, Leeds was not even a football area, didn’t have the nuances or culture of a place that had a long traditon in football. So the change in colours was met with complete apathy. Revie gave Leeds the history, traditions and love for the club, which is why it cannot be changed now. The reason Revie changed it because blue and gold symbolised mediocrity, it was the gaudy colours of an average club with no future, white symbolised greatness, and the other more practical reason that white shirts were easier to spot, therefore easier to pass to. Many of our fans are too dumb to understand all this

    • hooch pandasnatch

      But this is about Hull, What history and tradition do they have and they have two rugby teams.

    • Irving08

      Though I was brought up – away from Leeds – on stories of Wilf Copping, Enrest Hart and Willis Edwards, you are fundamentally right, John. Before Don Revie, Leeds was a Rugby League city – with county and Test match cricket at Headingley defining our sporting identity more than Leeds United. It would be going too far to say that it has reverted to that position now, but at times it has looked that way over the past couple of seasons.

  • Hulldaz

    You still insist on the term tinpot !
    Well if tinpot is a phrase that you need to use for a successful football team so be it !
    You have your history and the right to reflect on your past achievements but that’s all you have now ….
    Just remember that your now one of those tinpot clubs that had its time as Yorkshires number one club , but we have shown you what is needed to be premier league …

    • Mark Richardson

      so going through a few years of financial turmoil that we’re only just coming out of means we’ll never make it to the top again, and merely getting into the Premier League, without having kicked a ball yet, makes you “successful”? Is that how it works?

      Maybe we just have a different idea of “success” and simply making up the numbers after having won domestic and European trophies just isn’t good enough.

      Selling your soul just to feel like you’re one of the big boys, when in reality getting your arses handed to you every week means you’re still not, is pathetic. Instead of being desperate for a hint of “success”, maybe you should be saying to yourself that losing your identity is not acceptable no matter what is being offered in return, and that simply being in the Premier League isn’t a “success” worth selling your soul for.

  • Hull4relegation

    Hulldaz, no matter what league Leeds and hull are in. Leeds united will always be Yorkshires number one

    • David Holmes

      In your eyes only…

    • Champions of Europe

      Now that says more about the sad state of Yorkshire football at the moment than Leeds Utd.

    • Matthew

      This man speaks the truth. Let’s hope Hull enjoy their single season in the Premier League before crashing down with an almighty bang to the Championship. Reality check time for their fans, they won’t survive.

    • Hulldaz

      Wow !
      Now now Leeds fans ! Don’t be upset when I mention the fact that your not the best team in Yorkshire anymore ….
      See in Hull we know how you feel at this point in time ! A club with not much hope of getting into the premier league , a ground that falling into disrepair but that’s football .
      We as supporters haven’t sold our sole to the devil for a short spell in the big time as you put it ! We are in a state of revival that took 3 years … Tell me how long have you been in your coma ? Well let’s just say this if you wake up and see black and amber on match of the day ? You know it’s Hull city the only Yorkshire team in the English premier league !
      I remember you lot saying we would not get back in it !!! How wrong could you be …..
      Good luck guys in the championship …

      • Matthew

        Why so mad bro? You marked me and Hull4relegation down because we told you how it is. Come back at the end of the season when you get relegated so we can enjoy your complaints. You’re so funny but then again I expected as much from a Hull fan.

        • Hulldaz

          I’m sure you would like to hear me moan if we do come back down ? But the reality is that I won’t be moaning at all …
          I will celebrate the fact that we will have done something that makes Hull city stronger than ever . We will have money in the bank and a team that can more than compete in the championship .
          You will be glad that we have gone up as at least we won’t take six points off you this season !!!!

          • Matthew

            Stronger than ever? Hull? Is this the same Hull we’re talking about? Holy shit that’s one of the most deluded statements I’ve ever read here. Being relegated won’t make you stronger, if anything you’ll have a demoralized team depending on how badly you get beaten in the Premier League and how many losses you pick up. You’re far from being ‘Stronger than ever’. I would say we at Leeds are far from being stronger than ever. Pretty much every Yorkshire club in the football league has a hell of a long way to becoming a powerhouse again.

          • Matthew

            I would argue that any Yorkshire side including Leeds, Hull, Wendies, etc would need to be in the Premier League for a good few years with a stable level of investment to even return to former glories. It won’t happen overnight. We’ve sadly been absent from the Premier League far too long while less deserving teams take spots that deservedly belong to us. Rivalry’s aside, a Premier League with more Yorkshire teams in it would be a better league in general lol

          • Doncaster

            I was agreeing with most of what you were saying until you start with that old ‘entitlement’ crap.
            The teams that are in the PL deserve to be there on sporting merit. “Less deserving”, “deservedly belong to us”, please! I’d hoped that your recent stint in L1 would’ve taught you some much needed humility.

          • Hulldaz

            By stronger I meant in a financial way !
            I would love nothing more than having three or four Yorkshire clubs to be in the premier league !
            So often I see the southerners gloating about how they are the powerhouse of football ? They have the money but not the real passion for the game …

          • Matthew

            But much of that will be offset by the wages aka parachute payments. You’d have to be clearing deadwood and high earners off the wage bill ASAP.

            To be honest, I agree with you about your other points. Many people call the Premier League the best league in the world, and they may be right but its gotten stale with the same 6 teams finishing in roughly the same positions every year, the Premier league needs a healthy dose of Yorkshire to mix things up. While I think in all probability you might be relegated this season, if you’re not I think you’ll probably be mid table. I would rather see Norwich go down before you.
            I think in time, one or two Yorkshire teams, I think us most likely will be giving the top 6 sides a dose of fuck you in time and will finish in the top 6 and will totally mess up what has occurred every season since we were relegated all those years ago.

          • Hulldaz

            We have a wage cap at hull and from what I understand no player is on more tha 25k a week !
            You have a very good manager in BM now ! So I can see you pushing on this season …
            I would love it if we stayed up and you managed promotion as we know we would get a weekend fixture against you at last ! So many midweek games against each other made it a ball ache ..
            I was quids in after our promotion as I had 2 bets at 33/1 and another at 9/1 .
            It’s not often that I can say I supported Leeds for a day lol

  • Irving08

    Excellent piece TSS. Did they say caretakers ? – trustees is the word I think they were searching for.

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  • alexwitham93

    I’m a Hull fan, and I’m outraged with the rebrand but to be honest its only going get worse. In truth I can’t be sure there’s always going to be a Hull City. If the council refuse to sell the stadium for much longer he’s going to build a new one in Melton. It’s insanity.
    I accept Allam did help the club when it needed help, but in truth I haven’t spoken to a single fan approving of the rebrand. The club statement said a new badge will be drawn up with consultation from fans…but the training ground already has one up for Hull City Tigers. The Allam’s gave assurances it wouldn’t happen for months…and it’s a broken promise. We don’t want it and many won’t be sitting silent, like the head of the OSC. He’s sold us out too.
    n.b. The first game I saw was Leeds vs. Charlton at Elland Road…and they lost 3 – 2 and were effectively condemned to relegation to the Championship…but with some family in Leeds I feel some affinity with the club, and I wish them well. Always cheer them on when they play, unless it’s against City. Leeds under Revie is the stuff of legends.

  • Hovetiger

    Thanks from a Hull City fan; this was a good article and demonstrates that there is actually more that brings fans of rivals clubs together than divides us (shame about some of the patronising comments mind). Coming off the back of our joint protest with Huddersfield against the WYP bubble last season, and the campaign for safe standing, maybe all hope is not yet lost. I would just remind those getting on their high horse about little Hull selling their souls that Leeds were one of the original pioneers of rebranding under Revie (copying the Real Madrid kit eg), and as for us coming straight back down next season…I guess we will see. We are better now than last time we went up (we did alright against you lot last season) so might surprise a few. If we do come back down, at least it won’t be with a bunch of overpaid mercenaries in tow. Good luck for next season; you can’t be as bad this time round surely?

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  • Mike

    There was a shot at the American system in here but to be honest you can talk poor on it all you want but there is much more balance to that system than the European system(s). The same 8-10 teams are always at the top, and because of this they buy all the other teams best players only to bench half of them taking any opportunity of balance away. Scum win the BPL almost every year, Real/Barca are the only 2 teams that have a shot in Spain, etc..
    Most of the teams with history have well only history to look fondly upon anymore unless you get lucky enough to have some super billionare buy you out *cough* Man City *cough*. FFP is a good idea in theory but honestly its only going to widen the gap between clubs although it’ll hopefully prevent bankruptcy and administration like we experienced.
    I’m not saying the model needs to be followed spot on but wouldn’t a proper salary cap and/or profit sharing system make some sort of sense to go along with FFP? Just my two cents is all