Barndoor Opening Allows Sewer Rat To Infest TSS August 13, 2012 Leeds United, Transfer News 98 Comments Billy Paynter has completed his long-anticipated transfer to Doncaster Rovers, thus clearing one of Leeds United’s highest earners off the balance sheet and paving the way for El Hadji Diouf to sign a one year deal at Elland Road. Neil Warnock has made no secret of the club’s need to offload players before further new arrivals could be signed, and Billy Paynter was amongst a list of names released at the end of last season which the Leeds United manager listed as surplus to requirements. The Liverpool-born striker has had a torrid time of things at Elland Road, arriving as a replacement for Beckford in 2010, he was the only player to score more goals than Jermaine the season previous. However, the former Swindon Town man failed to make a successful transition into the Championship and few Leeds United fans will be ruing his departure. Scurrying through the barndoor Paynter left untouched is former Rovers man El Hadji Diouf, one of footballs most controversial figures. Renowned for spitting at supporters, drink driving and the occasional moment of footballing brilliance, the man Neil Warnock once labelled a “sewer rat” was booed by a section of Leeds United fans on his debut and a poll conducted by The Scratching Shed shows opinion is incredibly polarised with 50% happy at the signing and 50% either on the fence or unimpressed. Ten clubs in fourteen years tells you everything about Diouf’s inconsistencies and controversial nature. Once a Liverpool and Rangers man, his career has had more highs and lows than your average online casino player’s balance following a night on the blackjack and roulette tables. Diouf lets his emotions get the better of him, and a lot of this could be to do with the fact he loves the lifestyle surrounding football, the fast cars, the women and the gambling. Whether he lasts the duration of the one year contract Neil Warnock is believed to be preparing is no more predictable than your average casino game. One thing’s for sure though, it’s bound to be entertaining… markman I dont think Billy is off the wage roll are we still not contributing to his wages? djedjedje His and O’Brien’s according to the Yorkshire Post last week. TSS Nevertheless, both departures will be a reduction to the wage bill so it’s still a positive. rwhites Not one person near me in the Kop Booed Diouf on Saturday and after speaking to a few people who sat in different sections of the ground they also didn’t hear any. People shouted Dioooouf which I understand may have confused people but It’s also being used has another reason for so called “fans” to have a moan about something. Lets just get behind the lads and see what happens. If Diouf steps out of line then lets hang him but not before. He’s just another piece in the “dirty” Leeds promotion winning master plan. TSS I was in the Kop and people were definitely booing. The group in front of me were yelling all kinds of expletives at him, and those behind me were attempting to start songs about his spitting antics and drunk driving. I’m sure there were some people shouting Diouf, but there were just as many booing I assure you. leedeetee Er, where I was stood the boos were deafening at times. Marky32 All about how you read statistic. You could say the fans are predominantly happy as 75% were happy or on the fence and only 25% unhappy. Personally I think he will improve our team. He might be scum but if he helps us get promotion it’s worth the risk. Just hope he concentrates on football and not all the other stuff then we have an asset for this division. djedjedje Yep, that’s how I read the poll result. TimPM Perhaps we should’ve asked “in the perfect world, do you want Diouf?” I wrote this blog’s first negative article about him, but I responded unsure. We’re in the shit if the takeover doesn’t go ahead, so we have to take yet more risks. And Diouf could be good. He could just be spectacularly bad. Colin But it’s still not right is it? If we want promotion, we shouldn’t be taking risks, we shouldn’t be touching the Dioufs of this world with a bargepole. Doncaster Rovers took risks and gambles. It failed. If a club wants promotion, there should be a strategy, a core team of quality, youth, squad players and money to support the manager. That’s the minimum we should expect. Taking massive gambles like Diouf shouldn’t be applauded, it’s desperate. Diouf shouldn’t be used an an excuse to disguise the fact that Leeds United are not being run correctly. That still remains the key issue. Ron Galea We are broke. End of. Michael Lazarou We are not broke its just bates keeping it in his pocket Ron Galea Neil Warnock has no transfer budget. That is what I was saying. Marky32 Agree but desperate time calls for desperate measures. It’s not Dioufs fault we are interested in him. It’s not even Warnocks as he has to get the strongest team he can with ZERO budget. One men to blame is Bates!! Jez Billy set off for Doncaster but actually ended up in Dewsbury… djedjedje It’ll be interesting to see (ha! as if we ever will!) what wages we put Diouf on. Apparently he was on only £2,000 a week at Doncaster. Bargain, especially when compared to what we will have paid Paynter for three years. Colin To all those people raving about Diouf, when he inevitably messes up, don’t go moaning about him. If you want to support him, that’s fine. But I won’t and that’s fine also – that’s my choice. Tare For those who remember when Vinnie Jones’s appointment came alive 1989 then there was a real controversy issue, Grazy Gang “police” man with the cv of putting certain Paul Gascoine out of the game with private part testing. So there was a real bad boy, if you ask me but as history shows do not skin the bear before it is hunted down. I have still a VHS tape 1989/1990 season LU v Hull City and with a eventual promotion team DAY,BEGLIN,KERR,JONES,FAIRCLOUGH,HADDOCK,STRACHAN,BATTY,CHAPMAN,SHUTT,HENDRIE a bunch of Wilko’s War Horses beat Hull 4-1 and what this bad boy does; the goal of the season, that is a volley screamer from 35 yrds to the top of the net. In football wise this was a master stroke from Wilko because Vinnie played his football careers best football in the right time and place! That taught me personally that give everybody a chance, reputations are always a water under the bridge. So let the War Horses Episode II begin next Saturday and all the thumbs (and toes) up for promotion hot race to begin. Tare TSS I’m sorry mate, but it’s one hell of a stretch to try and make the Jones-Diouf comparison. Vinnie was a hard man on the pitch, not a vile human-being that is better known for spitting on supporters than he is for his football. Jones did what he had to do to win football games and psych out the opposition, Diouf’s antics are petulant and disgusting and have absolutely nothing to do with football. I refuse to simply dismiss them as a quirk of his reputation. I also consider it offensive to list Jones in the same sentence. Colin Well said TSS. Well said. Tare You totally misread me here just to make may point reps are reps and give Diouf a chance. reps can be negative or positive depends wholly from what point of view you are. I do not know him and think I ever will but I have seen him playintg that is all it is matter in the end games. As someone has said before then we have allways have players with reputation no news in that sense. In the end it is up to NW to handle the hot potatoe. Nothing personal here just following guts since 1970. Tare TSS My point was, Vinnie’s reputations was as a hard man of football – some people found his “take no prisoners” style a little much, but his football did the talking. The problem people have with Diouf is that his football is massively overshadowed by his truly disgusting antics. LeedsForLife Vinnie did not come to Leeds with a reputation as a clean footballer. His reputation was NOT just as a hard man. Tare’s comparison of the two situations is a very realistic one. Vinnie became a better footballer under a good man manager and with the support of a crowd that took to him after substantial initial doubts, and he might even have become a better and more mature person for the same reasons. He deserved a chance to improve himself, and so does Diouf. Vinnie took his chance and maybe Diouf will too, but that’s less likely to happen if the fans don’t take him to their hearts – and they won’t as long as prejudiced influential bloggers don’t give him a chance. TSS I haven’t refused him a chance, I’ve refused to allow his past acts to be swept under the carpet and ignored simply because he pulled on a Leeds shirt. He should be held accountable for his actions and he needs to prove he’s changed – I didn’t boo him, nor would I, but I won’t condemn those who did. It’s important that we establish the fact his behaviour at previous clubs won’t be tolerated at Leeds, and I’d like to see some acknowledgement of that from the player himself. The Leeds fans aren’t in the wrong here, it’s far too easy to blame them for everything. As for the comparison, Vinnie’s reputation was for what he did as a footballer. Diouf’s is for acts he committed that have no place in football but happened in that arena. The two are totally incomparable. easingwold white yes, but Jones was added to a team packed with quality-this creature isnt! LeedsForLife Jones joined an unsuccessful 2nd Division side made mainly of grafters. Tare Of that particular game Beglin,Kerr,Haddock,Shutt were average at best, Lee Chapman was still rusty after journey man years (a note for Varney doubters you can blossom as goalscorer in later age if you have proper training and will to make results + needed qualities) , rest were in “Top Man” bracket but because team is bigger than the sum of it so it took some time to gel until end of the season to reach the objective. Tare djedjedje Wasn’t that the days when they were playing in ‘Top Man’ sponsored kits? Or was it ‘Burton’s’? Although I shouldn’t mock, considering ours is currently ‘Enterprise Insurance’ “Who?” Exactly. Maybe we should appeal to Phil Green (I think I read somewhere he was a Leeds fan and Alan Leighton was trying to get him to take us over when we started our financial freefall. Maybe someone should tap-up LUST about him?!) and his billions from Topman to come back and sponsor us again. At the very least we might end up with Kate Moss catwalking around Elland Road at half time to show off next year’s dayglo away kit TSS Phil Green isn’t a Leeds fan mate, I assure you! djedjedje Fair enough, I guess Leighton was just ogling rich men for their cash and Green’s name came up as a suitor. I think I remember Green saying something at the time along the lines of ‘I wouldn’t waste my money in a f***ing football club’. I guess that’s why he’s still f***ing rich. TSS Yep. That sounds like him. Tare I have some memories that Thistle Hotels were before Top Man but not sure anyway, stay there when visiting the Leeds City. Tare Chareose TSS, I think everyones cottoned onto the fact you dont like Diouf so maybe give the sewer rat headlines a break for a bit as I dont think its good to breed negativity about a Leeds Player. We need a united team. If Diouf ends up being a bad egg then its the manager whos put his cock on the block……… Also theres enough booing and protesting about Bates without adding Diouf to the list. Team doesnt need it. TSS To be honest with you, I’m in the undecided camp, the “Sewer Rat” name just makes for easy punning – we refuse to rise above the temptation. Chareose The “scurrying” comment made me laugh but I think Colin has a hard enough job without us adding to it over Diouf…….. I too have mixed feels, my gut feeling is that he will be just be a sub any way……Promotion hangs on whether we get taken over in time to spend on players….. TSS We have thousands of fans reading this site and we try to represent their concerns. Whether they align with the manager and players or not, it’s only fair that we give both sides of the argument and try not to ostracise anyone for their opinion. Whilst I understand those who find it hard to boo any Leeds player (being one of them) and think his footballing ability should be the only thing taken into account, I’m uncomfortable with the suggestion that past antics, however deplorable, can and should be forgotten just because he pulls on a Leeds United shirt. Generally speaking, I think it’s unfair that we feel footballers should be role models. I genuinely couldn’t care less what they do in their own time, it’s none of my concern and it’s the press I blame for stalking these people and publishing their indiscretions to the nation, knowing only too well that the kids who they claim footballers should be role models for will be reading it. What 18-35 year old doesn’t commit the occasional “sin” we wouldn’t want our children to find out about? Why should footballers have to live their lives like the Pope, whilst the rest of us judge them for any minor indiscretion from our glass houses it’s fortunate no one is throwing stones at? My point is, I couldn’t care less about El Hadji Diouf’s character, I really couldn’t. However, these indiscretions have taken place – numerous times – on the pitch. That’s where the line is crossed for me, because at that point, it effects the football and reputation of my club – the only thing I care about. I’m not a parent so can’t speak on behalf of those that are and who take their children to Elland Road, but is it wrong of me to suggest that forgiving Diouf’s antics without any kind of debate is sending a message to kids that it’s OK to run around spitting on people, because all will be forgiven when you pull on the “right” shirt? I was brought up to believe tolerance was achieved by looking at both sides of any given story, reasonable debate and an examination of the facts. The fact is, Diouf has committed acts I’m not happy about and that should be made absolutely clear as far as I’m concerned. Forgiveness is a process, it’s not something you achieve by aligning yourself with the “right” people. I’m unwilling to simply forgive these past indiscretions right now, but I am willing to give Diouf a chance – but he needs to know that’s all it is, and that I (we) simply won’t tolerate that kind of behaviour now he represents Leeds United, because wearing our shirt does not make it OK. Chareose TSS, sorry mate wasn’t having a pop. You know how you text or comment about something and then read it back later and think “that’s not the tone I wanted….?” Imagine I commented about it down the pub and over a pint of John Smiths……that’s how I meant it ! Meanwhile time ticks on and no takeover…..deflated now as I cant see this team (as solid as it is) getting automatic promotion…… Outside chance for play offs at best……. Bit frustrated with it all… LeedsForLife The Colin thing’s long past being entertaining. It’s rude, unpleasant and demeaning towards a man who seems to be trying damned hard to be a good manager of Leeds United. If you want to be rude about the disliked manager of a different club, that might be fine even if a bit childish; but being gratuitously rude towards the manager of our own club is pretty offensive and damaging, in my opinion. However robust he is, he needs and deserves to know the fans are right with him and right behind him, not mocking him childishly. TSS The “Colin” thing is used as a term of endearment by the majority, much like when you say something like “Yeah, he’s my best mate but he’s a bit of a knob”. Neil knows that, I assure you. LeedsForLife Hmmm. Okay – I’ll take your assurance. But somehow I think any ‘fan’ who’d made a rude anagram out of Don Revie’s name would have been taken outside and kicked shitless by every one of at least 40,000 people. What’s wrong with just showing a bit of respect? TSS The fans didn’t coin it, a referee did – it’s become self-deprecating in a sense. LeedsForLife And referees are always right, are they? Whoever coined it doesn’t make it respectful. TSS Still makes it a joke. I think you need to lighten up a lot – Colin himself finds in amusing. LU 4 Ever Don’t understand anyone booing Diouf while he is wearing the white shirt. Although I abhore all the antics he was associated with while at his previous clubs and have given him plenty when he played for Doncaster last year, his talent is undeniable and more importantly he looks like he will be part of the team this year. Any barracking him, while he plays for Leeds can only harm his and possiblly the teams performance, which is ultimately the most important thing this year. We need a United front in all aspects of the club this year, more than ever. At least let’s give him the opportunity to prove the doubters wrong before we hang him high. Oxford White Beggars can’t be choosers, under Bates we sadly are beggars…. Warlnock is putting the most competative side on the pitch he can with the money available, he’s not running a popularity contest. henrymouni It has been a disappointing time for all of us, NW included, since the blip in the takeover. Instead of bringing in the targets he wanted he is stuck will – sell first then buy. Or freebies – groundhog day!! In the circumstances Diouf could be a master stroke. We need some spice in the team. We need the opposition to fear us again. In recent times, all the teams that play us expect to win, and quite often they do. We need a bad boy, and it would be nice to be booed again! Diuof could have found his spiritual home, and could be our next cult hero. Worth a punt anyways. TimPM I think inconsistency is the key. If he plays to the best of his ability, really tries to prove himself to the fans, I think he’ll be a cracking signing. But one flash of temper and he’s probably banned for 6 matches or something and we hit the headlines for all the wrong reasons. And when he behaves like he does towards other fans, what if he has a moment of stupidity against his own team-mates? Not a bad signing, but not exactly no-risk like Warnock seems to be claiming. Whatever Warnock says for the media to repeat, I can’t see a seasoned pro like him believing Diouf is the ideal signing he makes out – for me this is because we don’t have the money to sign good enough to challenge, so we’re having to take on gambles. mrbigwheels Life at Leeds United is very much a day to day affair, has been for many months. Nothing anyone can do about it until investment comes on board other than watch Warnock build the team and since last week is doing it not on transfer funds but on balancing the wage budget. He’s obviously got a good torch when searching in the suggested dark alleyways… Perhaps there’s more to come out of the darkness… Diouf has been kept on ice in the darkness for sometime. He’s a stopgap, cover, as are quite a few. There is no way any takeover if it comes in seven days time is going to enhance the strength and depth of the team before the window closes. The likelihood is that there will be no deal done with Bates until mid autumn, if it happens at all, so a few loans will be taken on board with the January window seeing some money spent if there are new owners. I’m leaving Warnock to manage Diouf and any other surprises… He’s signing them and they will be his selection within the present cicumstances… End of story. CDN_Leeds I think the only people who should be upset at Diouf are the fans who were spat at and those who were directly involved in his misdemeanors. If they can forgive him then who are we to sit in a glass house and throw stones! The only other fans who should be upset at this signing are those from QPR and they should be upset at NW not Diouf afterall it is a betrayal by NW to go back on what he said when at QPR about the man and the way he behaved against them. I’m not enthusiastic at the signing but when you have no money to spend you have to go down dark alleyways to look for deals! TSS “…when you have no money to spend you have to go down dark alleyways to look for deals!” Brilliant analogy haha! Tim Campbell Imagine going down one of those alleyways and stumblg across some dirty old gizzer in a raincoat, white beard and dark rimmed glasses offering slow arousal – the mnd boggles!! haha lol TSS It’s like you’ve viewed my worst nightmares! number1inyorkshire he may well be a nasty horrible spitting sewer rat git but at the moment he is Leeds United nasty horrible spitting sewer rat git ,we need some one to wind up the opposition ,to generate an atmosphere at ER to get the away fans jeering so we can jeer back and stand by our man .i have ofetn thought we have been to nice for ages ,with Austin and Diuof kicking people up in the air it might just generate some much needed noise Oxford White Trust in Warnock. He needs a striker with some quality but has no money, Diouf ticks the boxes BUT is a risk (& I agree not someone I would share a beer with) I do believe Warnock is considered and knows the potential Diouf has to self destruct, he will have a plan and be able to handle this if it happens. It just may be Diouf delivers and helps us win matches. Colin There’s another issue we haven’t discussed – opposition players are going to smash Diouf. They’re going to wind him up. If he was playing on the opposing side to us, Warnock would tell his side to do exactly that. If he gets kicked in the air, how’s he going to react? I guess we’ll find out soon enough. TSS Agree. I used to enjoy “mixing things up” a little, Diouf would be the first player I targeted. I’d spend the entire match sticking heavy tackles in and getting under his skin with some carefully selected words, and as you say, Warnock would no doubt be instructing our players to do the same thing if the roles were reversed. Diouf has an awful lot to prove. djedjedje He’s had years of this experience. Last year he won 50 freekicks in 22 games for Doncaster (the season before at Blackburn it was 98 freekicks from 30 games). He never reacted anymore than to pick up a yellow card for it when at Doncaster, so why would it change at Leeds? I think I’d react worse, to be honest. Besides, see the positives: that’s 2-3 freekicks guaranteed per match for Leeds (most in the opposition half), and we know how much Warnock loves to use set pieces as a source for goals. David Lockwood I don’t think that we should be putting Diouf under pressure about his past. Let us encourage him to to well for LUFC by welcoming him properly and giving him chance to behave like a professional should do! We know he is a good player and if he behaves and fits in he could be a leading player. We know he can influence the outcome of games. Let NW try to use his magic to get the best out of him. No takeover, no big signings on the horizon Barry Jones You guys are welcome to “Spitter”. He will turn out anywhere as long as the money is there – best of luck with him – dont get too near the pitch on matchdays though… Irving08 Diouf willl be a distraction on the pitch. The question is, who will benefit, us or the other team. Reputation-wise this is obviously a new low for the club. Warnock was unable to persuade Barton to change his ways; I see no reason why he should fare any better with Diouf. So why take the risk ? Rochester white Whilst I don’t particularly like what diouf has done off the pitch, he will not be the first Leeds player I have supported DESPITE off the pitch behaviour. The likes of bowyer and woodgate were hardly angels yet they were still OUR team. I don’t like him…but I won’t be booing anybody in a white shirt. superwhites It is laughable reading some of the comments, the fact is nobody likes Diouf and nobody wanted him, however he is here and he is the best (football wise) we can attract in that position of the pitch in our financial/league position so hopefully he will settle and do well. What is really odd is that some of you forget you are a football fan which means you are without doubt fickle (yes that means me too). As soon as Diouf scores a 90th minute winner or 72nd one for that, those of you that ‘don’t support him’ wont be stood there with your arms folded or be booing…you will be going MENTAL with unbridled Leeds joy. You might make the odd comment about how he is a rat so it doesn’t feel like you’re selling yourself out but sure enough you will be supporting him then, even if you pass it off as supporting the team. If he flops my point will never be proved but that depends on how many people boo him and for how long. Don’t support somebody by all means, if you really think you can do that, but dont be a hypocrit when he scores and certainly don’t boo….just do nothing. If he starts spitting at people then by all means boo… but once again it will depend on who he spits at. If he spat at Cristiano Ronaldo would anybody care? I wouldn’t…in fact i’d probably enjoy it. Ron Galea Good point, well made. For 2 grand a week, he is a publicists wet dream. He either becomes a dirty Leeds hero, or belts an opposing player and gets banned for life. Either way, our sponsors name will be emblazoned across every TV, computer screen and newspaper for days. Warnock is bleeding heavily and on the ropes, this is a move of desperation, but we have signed far worse footballers, albeit nicer people. Give him a month to get fit and see what we all think (if he’s not arrested by then). Matthew Personally, if someone buys us, would like to see Warnock work with Joey Barton again, he’s a decent enough player and if we’re in the Premier league at that point, we’d be a perfect match for him, no one likes us anyway, so lets add him to our ranks and really make an impact. mrbigwheels I don’t think Warnock has any problems with Barton. Most QPR fans relay the fact that Warnock managed him well and only after NW left did Barton swing into action!… Barton to Leeds at some point… Why not. TimPM Don’t need him, we’ve got the mighty Rudi mrbigwheels Oh yes… 1 uparrow. Rudi, Rudi, Rudi,….. Rudi. Captain perhaps?. TimPM Well it worked with The Chief! Matthew I think some people, likely regulars here are expecting me to say this considering how critical I’ve been of him, but. YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! hell yes, words can not express how happy I was when news broke of him signing, it felt like we won the league or something. Just.. yesssssss barn door billy is gone.. thank the fucking lord. 1 useless league 1 quality player on over 10k a week off the wage bill, oh happy days. TimPM Well, to some (a minority I think?), being a footballer is about putting smiles on people’s faces… Matthew I agree, btw unsure who voted your comment down just now, I gave you a thumbs up but during that time someone did a down. TimPM Heheh. We have hundreds of thousands of reads a month. 10 arrows one way or another means nowt… thanks for the uparrow though! djedjedje For a second I thought that that was your response to hearing Diouf had signed. Would certainly have been quite a statement!! mrbigwheels Have to say… I thought so too. Matthew on a roll?. Matthew Well said, although Donny have him for 2 years, at least Barn door is gone, hopefully he has some luck at Donny and helps get them promoted anyway, I have no problem with them and hope they make a prompt return to the Championship. Certainly a statement of intent as theyve signed a guy who will likely be their highest paid player. That said although hes shit in the Championship, he has some talent in league 1 due to the quality of the teams being poor, they’l have 2 chances with him to go up, so if at chance no 2 they go up, they can get rid of him and not be stuck with him like we were. Matthew Haha. Not quite lol. That said Diouf is on a rolling contract essentially so if he annoys everyone or gets into trouble he’s gone, so I’m rather indifferent to him, if he keeps his head down, performs well, and scores goals I have no problem with him being here. TSS Diouf is to be offered a one-year deal apparently. Matthew Personally I’ll believe it when I see it, he has history with Warnock and to be honest 1 game isn’t going to change things overnight. I’ld be surprised if it happens anyway. Pretty sure Paynter is off the wage bill anyway, he joined Donny on a reduced wage as they were the highest bidders. TSS You’re joking, right? Have you heard Warnock in the press? He makes him out to be the second coming of Christ! morley white Anybody know how much we got for Paynter if anythinng?Also is White Green n Rosco back from international duty for the Wolves game? djedjedje Nowt! I’m pretty sure we’ll be paying the majority of his wages for the next year too. If Diouf was on £2,000 at Doncaster when they were in the Championship I’d be amazed if they will be paying Paynter any more when they are now in League One. That could mean us paying anything around £8,000 a week of his wages. Christ, I really wish F.O.I. requests worked with Leeds’s finances. TSS We’ve agreed a compensation package with him to terminate contract early and allow him to move to Doncaster. Clive Having played at the very highest level it can only b to our advantage… He will absolutely have no fear in performing at Elland road…too often we’ve signed player who cannot handle the pressure….diouf is a big game player with the type of confidence that can be infectious to the fans and players alike…..in my opinion a top signing…could be our catalyst in much the same way king ERIC was for ferguson and manchester united….his enery just infected all around him…… Matthew By the way, slightly offtopic. Preston 2, Huddersfield 0, both playing their first teams, Rhodes not playing for Huddersfield(Assuming to not be cup tied), Clayton played a full 90 minutes for Huddersfield too and they still lost. For some reason I found this result funny. Poor Grayson though, looks like no Arsenal/Man United games for him this season. That said the honour is reserved for us when we reach the third round Matthew I found this result significant as the season starts on Saturday and Preston outplayed Huddersfield. Could be a long season for them, and Clayton could potentially be at a club lingering in the depths of the Championship if things dont change there. oldschoolbaby Quite a lot of missing the point here. Football is largely amoral. It didn`t get that way overnight ( it is interesting that more than one commentator, and the same applies to me, has remarked that their fathers would have been highly intolerant of Diouf in a Leeds shirt whilst they`re ambivalent ) it eroded through a brick by brick process. Diouf has represented more than one of these bricks in his career. Of course, Diouf is not, and never can be, the straw to break the camel`s bsck. He is merely an opportunity to draw a line in the sand. Integrity, remember, has to be doing the right thing regardless of consequence. Now getting Leeds back into the PL may well be a more important issue than whether Diouf gets a year long contract. However, it has to be recognised that offering him a contract is a further step on the path to somewhere we don`t want to be. Neither Leeds United, nor any of us as individuals, would enjoy living in the hell of a moral vacuum mrbigwheels Hopefully that’s the end of that, Barndoor out and Diouf is going to be in the team. Warnock can be responsible for him and will get the best out of him or he will dump him. All supporters need to embrace the team and their next opponent… the conquest of Wolves. Bates is here until the ‘wall comes down’ and that’s life at Leeds. This is what we’ve got and have to make the best of it!. I personally think there are multiples of positives in the last six months to take on board and if the previous management was still here… God knows what the present position would be today. Whether Warnock will achieve what we all want is totally open to individual viewpoint but one thing is certain, surely and that is… We must support the Manager and the team, one and all. As to the dilema for many of whether to ‘avoid’ home matches to further their individual protest at Bates and his megalamanic ownership then I have a viewpoint that as the season progresses supporters following that protest will be bypassed and the supposed magic attendance figure of 20,000 will be maintained. I suggest this purely from a ‘new shop window’ effect and the fact that if one talks to the average fan… there are so many that see an improvement in the playing team, the management and an expectancy of a better game of football. The interesting fact is a high level of supporters would be turned off on matchdays by ‘Bates Out’ protests inside the ground… LUST will need to sort this and have a very clear position on how its members protest, whether it can control and be responsible for their members actions and indeed manage that membership. My viewpoint assumes Bates is still in ownership, Chairman of LUFC and market research I’m involved in. Ronny Ulvedalen Hard words in a title. Thougt he is a Leeds player now. What about Cantona when he came, What about our loved boys Woodgate and daft as brush Bowyer, Mills. And i will not talk about our finest on Super Leeds from the 70ties that make Diouf look like a schoolboy. Drop this sewer rat talk, and stand behind a Leeds player MOT FuzzyDuck Pleased Donny have signed Paynter. He’s worth a punt in league 1, we need a striker and I think, no matter what happened at Leeds, he’s as good a player as we’re going to get at the mo I was also happy that we were rid of Dioufy but to be fair to him, there was no real behaviours problem in his time with us. There was that bust-up in the tunnel at your place (nothing came of it in the end) and as he’d left the club, he was arrested in a Manchester club, but not charged. He can certainly play but is only out for himself. If things aren’t going for him, he will look to be substituted and when subbed, expect him to go straight down the tunnel. I think he’s a ticking bomb, but he didn’t go off at Rovers so maybe he’s put his past behind him Best of luck for the season Reiver Any player that spits at opponents IS worse than a sewer rat – don’t we get a bad enough press as it is without signing this loathsome creature? I’m sure there were other alternatives. mrbigwheels That’s interesting… What were or are the altenatives. I have not read one single suggestion of what Warnock should be doing to cover this position in his present situation, other than nothing, or wait for some investment. Any suggestions from anyone?. I’m sure he’d welcome them TimPM Shaun Wright-Phillips if you believed the rumours, haha. It’s sad but there’s no alternative for us. We’ve no money and we’ve been out the Premiership so long I don’t think many care what kind of player we have so long as we go up, at the end of the day? mrbigwheels Firstly, thank you for your suggestion. I always believe the plausible rumours, ha ha to you. Secondly I don’t care either because we will go up at some point… there is no doubt about it. Thirdly… may I suggest, seeing that you may be free… to be fully available on friday ‘cos I predict a very busy day. Yes you’ve heard it all before… but don’t go on a 10 mile hike. Told you… I always believe the plausible rumours. Tare You must have insider then in:) But Friday seems logical because of this pre match news conference etc..Living in a white hope. Tare TimPM The joys of an internet phone… Cyrano Dear TSS, please persist with the ‘Sewer Rat’ headlines until Diouf has apologised for past indiscretions, offered an insincere assurance that he will behave like a decent human being for as long as he represents LUFC and has stayed behind for at least ten games signing match-day programmes for children with no memory of this pig’s grotesque past. It saddens me that so many Leeds fans will willingly offer their support to anyone who wears the shirt, that the shirt is as cheap as a non-contract offer to an out-of-shape scumbag. Even your own ‘stunned silence’ is not enough when this logic can be stretched out to any number of disturbing conclusions: would we support a child rapist as long as he was knocking in the goals? The analogy is not extreme. This summer has tantalised us with the possibility of change and I was hoping that with Ken Bates gone a new era at the club could emerge and be recognisable in contrast to the recent past for its transparency, honour and class. Clearly I’m naive. Perhaps, as they claim with politics, we do get the footballers we deserve, who are no more or less than a reflection of ourselves and the values we hold dear. Well not for me, not with this player. New era? Bates still owns the club, Neil Warnock manages the team and El Hadji Diouf is our marquee signing. Naivety, to me, seems a trait worth protecting. Notwithstanding the fact that Warnock has impressed me with his half-summer’s work under difficult circumstances I will not be cheering on Diouf under any circumstances – to do so would be an utter betrayal of what I think our club should be and truly make me a moron and a sickpot. mrbigwheels Chareose… Naive is good. Don’t lose that or the faith to believe. Change will come and it will feel comfortable. Sometimes a little poo sticks for a while but can be carefully removed and the balance restored. OMG, what has Bates done to us!. MacTen Well. Bloody. Said.