Ken Bates today announced that Neil Redfearn will have at least the next three games to prove himself suitable for the Leeds United job.

Speaking on Yorkshire Radio, the Leeds United chairman said the club has been inundated with applications but won’t be rushed into making a decision.

Applicants ranging from “the cheeky to outlandish” was how Bates described some of the list, referring to an 11-year-old boy who thinks he has what it takes and the 2010 Playstation Manager Of The Year.

Also revealed to be amongst the applicants is former England manager Sven Goran Eriksson who Bates insisted “won’t be coming” to Elland Road.

Revealing Eriksson as one of the applicants seems totally at odds with Ken Bates policy of doing business in private. It also seems bizarre for any football club to reject a highly successful and clearly qualified manager without so much as an interview first. Deciding to humiliate him publicly instead, must be off-putting to other potential candidates?

Regardless of whether or not Sven Goran Eriksson is the right man for the job – and to be clear, I’m not saying he is – he’s a vastly experienced manager with all the right qualifications. His wage demands may be a little high, but if he’s serious about the job then that’s something the club could discuss at an interview. I’d propose offering a small wage to big name managers with a huge bonus if they get promotion. If they’re serious about the job and believe they can get Leeds United promoted, they’d have nothing to lose.

Ken Bates went on to add;

“We don’t want an instant miracle maker, although the fans think it’s a good idea, but you rarely find one. It has to be someone who wants to come here for the right reasons.

This could be in reference to Neil Warnock, a manager most fans consider to be the best choice for the job. The general opinion of Warnock is that he’d get Leeds United promoted but would struggle in the Premier League.

News of Redfearn’s three additional games has been met with widespread disapproval but it’s a relatively easy run we have ahead of us with faltering Brighton up next followed by bottom placed Coventry City and relegation battling Doncaster Rovers, so it does give the club a couple of weeks to properly assess the options and try to make the right long-term choice.

It would also be wrong to dismiss Neil Redfearn’s suitability without giving him a fair shot. He’s done well with the youth team, seems to be well-respected by the players and every manager has to start somewhere. Kevin Blackwell was an uninspiring choice as manager, but he did take Leeds to the play-off final. David O’Leary also started his management career at Elland Road, as did Don Revie.

  • derrysdouble

    I’m happy enough for Redfearn to be given a go as I fancy any of the other names linked with the job who we could realisticly afford to come. This of course is the same thing he did with Carver after Blackwell left and we know how that went……

    So good luck Neil. MOT

  • Ron_Galea

    Once again the cheap option is taken.

  • Ron_Galea

    I also can’t believe that last week was considered an ‘impressive start’. This whole saga has become a tragic comedy.

    • TSS

      @Ron_Galea I was starting to think I’d watched a different game the way people have talked about that performance. It was an incredibly poor game.

      • mattbb1

        i watched gnomeo and juliet last night – a great piece of entertainment. The scene at the end when the gnomes engage in their garden ornament carnage put me in mind of our headless chicken defence. Each `gnome’ doing his own thing.. i agree – what change in approach and tactics? are we really supposed to believe grayson didnt try and address the back four – week after week after…..

  • Tim Campbell

    Bates is really getting on my tits lately. The man is so far up his own arse he would make himself manager if he thought the fans would’nt lynch him.I agree wholeheartedly with you TSS the way he made mention of Sven shows the man has no class at all. He is bringing the reputation of our club down and should piss off quickly. I’m afraid to say the next appointment will be very cheap and very underwhelming!!

  • Dje

    Another spectacular own goal by Bates re: Sven. Other than self-aggrandizing, Bates has done himself and our club no favours at all by going public in his dismissive of the Swede. Only managers who would not feel humiliated in applying and being rejected out of hand should hereafter apply, and this policy of going public greatly undermines the undiscussed process in football management of managers putting their names forward for other positions than their own current clubs. If he’ll name and shame Sven so readily, then why not a manager already in employment?

    Or is this the masterplan? Never wanting to pay out any other team compensation for their manager, dissuading any unattached manager from ever applying – forcing us to perpetually recruit our future managers from within? I’m putting an early £5 on our current apprentice groundsman being our team manager come the 2013-14 season.

  • WoodyUK

    Obviously stating in public who would not even get a chance at an interview is typical Bates and very poor management. The comical references to the playstation gamer and child are fine as I am sure the CVs were sent into Elland Road with humour. It would however have cost nothing to keep quiet about valid prospective application – it may even put other managers off applying (especially those already gainfully employed). In honesty I never expected Sven to be in the frame after KB ridiculing Leicester for the money they spent on players and manager with poor results. One thing KB did correctly though (in my opinion only) is to give himself breathing space to make the correct long term decision. The club first need to decide what their own (realistic) aspirations are and the time frames that they need them in. When they lay their requirements in front of prospective candidates (and then explain the constraints they will work under) any manager that comes in knows what’s needed and by when – they then have the choice whether to have a go at the challenge or walk away.

    • TSS

      @WoodyUK Speaking of comedy, did you hear the bit about bookies odds? Bates said he’d considered banging a load of money on a long shot and hiring him. I laughed but I can’t help feel he wasn’t joking.

      • WoodyUK

        Scary thing is you really wouldn’t put it past him – I am yet to meet a LUFC fan that trusts the man and that is a truly sad state of affairs. I’m glad to have a bad ass as a chairman/owner – someone that puts the club before anything or anyone else and sometimes KB does that. Unfortunately more often than not you get the impression he puts himself very much before the club and worry incessantly about what scams he’s likely to be committing and how they’ll affect our club long term.

  • Tyler75

    For once I am in accord with Ken – Sven would be wholly inappropriate for Leeds given our current situation (i.e. no money) and his recent debacle in the Championship with Leicester. As for the statements, to be fair Sven went public with his interest, which is food and drink for the Bates PR machine and he doesn’t usually miss such an opportunity to grad a headline.

    Giving Redfearn another three games is hardly a huge surprise but at least provides some short-term stability and gives the guy a chance to stake a claim – Chris Houghton is a very good example of how well that can work out. However it does completely contradict the Harvey statement after sacking Grayson about giving a brand new Manager 18 games to try and get us up !

    • TSS

      @Tyler75 Sven responded to a question, he didn’t go public. He said he was flattered to be considered a candidate for such a big club. He acted with professionalism and grace. Ken Bates, not so much…

      • Tyler75

        @TSS Sven’s a very clever player of the PR machine and likes to keep a media high profile – Venables used to do this regularly with ‘tame’ journalists. I suppose we should be flattered he considers LUFC of sufficient status to enhance his profile. We all know Bates has about as much class as an episode of Geordie Shore.

      • mattbb1

        Bates slags off his own staff and management in public – so this comes as no surprise does it.. Sven has earnt respect in my book anyway as a successul coach at teams like lazio, has managed international teams, with some (limited) success, to be the butt of a ken bates wisecrack, well i suppose he deserves better. But perhaps he has turned himself into a bit of a joke, taking jobs from the highest bidder (Notts Co, Leicester) wouldnt he be better off taking a big job on like ours? as you say and only getting paid if he delivers promotion? Bates is just a total humiliation to our club.

    • WoodyUK

      That’s not the way I read it. From memory Sven only said he’d be flattered to be linked with the job. I don’t recall him stating he’d applied for the job.

      • TSS

        @WoodyUK It was in a Swedish newspaper. We translated the quote here – http://www.thescratchingshed.com.customers.tigertech.net/2012/02/sven-goran-eriksson-flattered-by-leeds-link/

        • TSS

          @WoodyUK Can’t believe I considered the rumour to be “madness” lol. I honestly didn’t think such a big name would even consider it.

        • WoodyUK

          Or Raddy Antic who played for Partizan Belgrade, Real Zaragoza and Fenerbace as well as managing Real Zaragoza, Athletico Madrid, Real Madrid and Barcelona. Another big name but has been out of the game a while now and no club management for over 8 years – has he still got the desire. I have to admit to being bemused we could attract that calibre of manager to be honest.

        • Tim Campbell

          @WoodyUK

          Theres something i like about Antic. He has all the right contacts and experience and as for a challenge, he would certainly get one with us. He once told a reporter he was a ‘Nazi’, at least we would’nt have just ONE larger than life character if he came lol

        • TSS

          @Tim Campbell@WoodyUK Antic was a Nazi or the reporter?

        • ramblinjohn

          @WoodyUK But he had calibre..he’s now a has been. That’s what happened when we got venables in

        • Tim Campbell

          @TSS @WoodyUK

          It was in that wiki article I told you about the other day, Spanish political columnist Hermann Tertsch. Antic ended up forking out £12,000 in compensation…..SOUND FAMILIAR lol

        • TSS

          @Tim Campbell@WoodyUK The headlines write themselves with that surname. Love it.

  • TSS

    The quote in the article sounded like Warnock to me. I dunno…

    Warnock also rejected Bates at Chelsea. He’s the kind of man to hold grudges I reckon. Too outspoken for Bates as well, he’ll be moaning about lack of funds within a week.

    • Dje

      @TSS I read somewhere that Bates and Warnock get on surprisingly well. I think they hit it off after one of the QPR – Leeds matches last season.

      • Dje

        @TSS And I read ‘miracle worker’ as Sven personally – bringing-in an immediate WOW factor hit before reality kicks in.

      • TSS

        @Dje Could be in reference to Sven I suppose. It was the fans part that made me think Warnock more than anything else…

      • Dje

        @TSS Yeah the ‘fans’ bit would make sense – unless he is combining us ‘moron fans’ with our unrealistic dreams of a ‘miracle worker’, just like we have unrealistic dreams of promotion with investment in the team.

  • Dje

    Unless I’m mistaken, of all the names we are currently connected with only Curbishley fits the bill of getting teams promoted to the Premiership and then doing OK in it.

    Not my favourite candidate, but if Warnock’s limited success in the Premiership is going to be held against him then I haven’t read of any more ‘proven’ candidates linked with us.

    • Tyler75

      @Dje Agreed. Also Di Matteo was unlucky not to get more time after getting WBA up – panic tends to set in a lot quicker in the Premiership with DOL a good example of that. Actually I had a dream/premonition last night that DOL was given the job with Radebe as part of his coaching team; mind you it also included us getting Jordan Rhodes in swap deal with Billy Painter !

      • Dje

        @Tyler75 It was sounding a bit like a nightmare for me, until the last bit!

  • Tim Campbell

    The guy I would like to see employed is one with experience and good motivational skills. Also having a good eye in the transfer market would also not go amiss. I think I may have made the analogy before but Ken Bates has brought us from the Marks and Sparks type of quality down to poundstretchers standard

  • mattbb1

    i dont share your enthusiasm for redders TSS. A dreadful track record in management at Northwich and Scarborough, it smacks of his general failure to replace outgoing quality with either same or better. And i am really beginning to wonder if he has run out of money. Last week they were tlaking about the need for an impact, and to grasp the nettle for the last 18 games, now they `wont be rushed’ and are handing over 16 points to a rookie – this doesnt feel right at all. I think we actually cant afford a decent manager.

    • TSS

      @mattbb1 I’m not enthusiastic by any means, I just don’t think we have any real evidence to judge him on. He’s been a professional stop-gap thus far. Scarborough were on the brink of total doom when he was there remember.

      • mattbb1

        @TSS I really do wish redfearn well, but as per the playing staff you know bates sees the price first, and ability second. Thats why in grayson we were punching above our weight, he got him to no doubt work for buttons because he loved the team. Redfearn will be turning handstands to work every day, he probably just cant believe hes manager of Leeds United.. I’d like to see redferan kept on the coaching staff for sure, i think he would be a good number 2 to a warnock, or Jones.

    • Dje

      @mattbb1 In paying off Miller, Grayson and Snodin I’m not surprised they’re counting the pennies. It really leads me to doubt we’ll employ anyone but a ‘free’ manager.

      • Tyler75

        @Dje@mattbb1 He’s got the Howson money burning a hole in his pocket – problem is those are very long pockets and Bates has got historically short arms.

      • TSS

        @Dje@mattbb1 I don’t think Grayson’s contract was all that long, was it? Miller and Snodin will have been the standard one week pay for every year worked deal I suspect. I doubt it’s cost as much as people think. The big money compo packages are generally reserved for Newcastle when they offer 6-year contracts following a couple of wins. Ken will have mastered the art of doing it cheaply by now, surely?

        • Dje

          @TSS 18 months at least. I was trying to second guess how much Grayson was on. I’d be surprised if it was more than a few grand a week. Still that’d make it c. £300,000 compensation. Which would make him one of our top outlays for staff in the last three years!

        • mattbb1

          think of all the loans we could have had for that..

        • TSS

          @Dje They don’t get the full whack, do they?

        • Dje

          @TSS I thought they did. Unless it can be proved that they broke their contract or failed to deliver on set targets. Unless they try to pin the O’Brien fiasco on him then they’ll have to pay up.

          But I could be wrong!

        • TSS

          @Dje The way I understand it is that they negotiate a settlement or slag it out in court. I doubt Grayson would attempt the unfair dismissal route (in which case, he’d get 100%) because it’s an incredibly subjective argument that would be difficult to get across in court. Leeds wouldn’t want to drag it all out in court either because they risk the 100% pay-off on their own highly subjective argument and would have legal fees on top of any compo.

          They both have reason to settle basically. There’s probably a standard ‘unspoken’ percentage in football.

        • Dje

          @TSS You could be right there. I was under the impression that managers preferred to settle terms or else it might harm attempts for them to move on to other positions which would otherwise see them being paid by both their old club and their new one. That’s probably just my personal misunderstanding though!

          BTW, do you know what Grayson was on?

        • TSS

          @Dje Couldn’t even hazard a guess.

        • Dje

          @TSS We’re the sort of gonzo-for-a-brain club that whilst implausibly unwilling to pay Howson more than a couple of thousand a week yet will pay our manager on £18,000 a week. I guess it’ll just have to be added to another of our many, many ponderables.

        • WoodyUK

          I believe Grayson is the sort of person that will want to get back in the saddle as quickly as possible. Joe Grayson said that last weekend was the first his Dad had spent kicking his heals not watching a game since he was a kid starting out at Leeds. I think he’ll want the legalities sorted as quickly as possible to get on with management and Bates will want the gagging order tied up fast – both parties have reason to settle quickly.

    • darrenc

      @mattbb1 4 games = 12 points howd u get 16. redfern could be a blessing the players want him and we won at the weekend if sg hada been there we wuda got beat. he lost the dressing room after his affair..

      • mattbb1

        @darrenc @mattbb1 a typo

      • ramblinjohn

        @darrenc @mattbb1 i wouldn’t pursue this grayson lost the dressing room after his affair line…it’s as plausible as the cantona/leslie ash tale…as if the leeds dressing room would react like a bunch of home counties vicars to him (allegedly, ahem) having it away … i think he was just a good bloke who ran out of new ideas and signed quite a few players he couldn’t in th end make any sustained use out of…i wont list them…in other circumstances away from bates he’ll do well again…he still has a fantastic record at leeds in turbulent and cash-strapped times

  • yorkwhite1

    Three reasons why Warnock won’t be coming,

    1, Eddie Gray said on Minster radio that we should get a young manager. Eddie is one of my all time hero’s but as he is now in the employ of KB he can only say what he’s told to say.

    2, Warnock will expect to be paid.

    3, Warnock speaks his mind, not something required by KB.

    • Dje

      @yorkwhite1 Eddie Gray was saying today that we NEED an experienced manager, and mentioned that person as a Warnock. Points 2 & 3 are valid though!

      • yorkwhite1

        @Dje

        Sorry I was going by what Eddie said after the last match. He must have been told to change his mind. MOT

    • Tyler75

      @yorkwhite1 Point 4 – He would want a commitment on transfer funds in the summer.

    • ramblinjohn

      @yorkwhite1 That’s not fair about Eddie Gray…he speaks diplomatically (a lesson for Bates) but he’s no puppet. Lorimer however…

      • TimPM

        @ramblinjohn @yorkwhite1 I agree. Eddie Gray seems to know how to speak his mind without being a mouthpiece – that’s something you’ve got to respect.

      • TimPM

        @ramblinjohn @yorkwhite1 Speak his mind within the limits*

  • TSS

    Neil Warnock has been fired by a dozen smaller clubs, same applies to him I presume? Sven has 17 trophies to his name too. Successful manager regardless of anyone’s personal opinion.

    • Dje

      @TSS I think Victor has a point though. Sven has never taken a team up from the Championship. His one attempt in the Championship – Leicester – was very expensive and very disappointing. Warnock has taken up two teams from the Championship despite not winning 17 top-flight trophies.

      Let’s get the right man in for the right job and then we’ll think later about the trophy cabinet.

      • TSS

        @Dje Yeah, I get that experience in a certain division is crucial, I just think Sven gets a bad rap despite an incredibly successful career.

      • Dje

        @TSS I’m not his biggest fan but appreciate what he has achieved (albeit mostly overseas). I’m sure I’m not the only one who is secretly disappointed he has been de facto ruled out. It’d have been a curious study to see what he’d do with our current squad with no cash investment.

    • ramblinjohn

      @TSS when was the most recent trophy?

  • The WhiteLizard

    If I wasn’t so biased against Bates, I’d have said his statement this morning made a lot of sense (apart from a couple of unnecessary jabs). The trouble is I don’t believe a thing he says. At the risk of getting pounded, I sometimes wonder if the problem isn’t with me not him. He certainly has access to more facts than we do (none).

    Just saying.

  • dhoward1

    If anyone had taken Leeds up on Football Manager, whack that on a CV and send it to Ken! Might sneak some potential signings on there too.

    Dunno about any of yous but i would actually stick with Redfearn till the end of the season, looking at it there aint many great managers out there at the min and the half decent ones probably won’t fancy Leeds under Bates with no money. Not much to lose with this season now, seem to have suffered enough so give him a go, the players seem to be behind him (players like McCormack, White, Clayts, Lees and Thompson would have played under him a lot) If he gets us to the play offs then great, if not i am sure new managers will become available in the summer and this will give them an extended period to build and work with the squad and add new players.

    If he can sort out the defense he definately has a shot but i agree in the long term we need a proven manager to get us into the prem and to then keep us there.

  • MikeLeeds

    Bates might find find himself back in court with the SVEN part – totally unprofessional and reflects on the club again………. what was Bates we wont get potential investors if they see the negative side of leeds……. you mean like the chairman making a prat of himself and the club.

    Personally I wouldnt want SVEN but I would be really pi**ed off if Id applied for a job and some tosser had dismissed me publically – thats poor bates really poor

  • ramblinjohn

    What you say about Bates and his bigmouth diplomacy is true but Eriksson is an idiot with long experience of early sackings and living off contract pay-ups. He has also proved to be an embarrassment one way or another to every club he’s managed. I’m more worried about Redfearn. He may be a good guy and may turn out to be a great manager but we need someone with a proper track record of success. Warnock is the only sensible choice, prat that he is.

    • MikeLeeds

      Everyone knows why we dont want SVEN – hes a journey man that hoovers up money/contracts and basically hes unemployable in my eyes – despite his experiance – still no need for Bates to come out with that. In fact it might put off a really good candidate for the job – who wants to work with bearded old git

    • TSS

      @ramblinjohn This contract pay-up stuff is a total fallacy. He left Leicester City by mutual consent, therefore didn’t hang around to be sacked and receive compo.

      • ramblinjohn

        @TSS well we don’t know the details but his record since leaving england remains woeful… farcical in fact

        • TSS

          @ramblinjohn He also waved a multi-million pound pay-off when he left Notts County. All this is common knowledge, yet this totally inaccurate stereotype persists.

        • MikeLeeds

          @TSS @ramblinjohn I think its reasonable to say that if SVEN came to Leeds (which obviously he wont be!) – you would get poor odds on him staying more than a season.

        • TSS

          @MikeLeeds@ramblinjohn You get poor odds with any manager. Football is a knee-jerk business.

          That’s beside the point anyway, people are making Sven out to be some kind of pay-off king and a total idiot. His record speaks for itself – 17 trophies – and even in England he hasn’t done that badly. He had a respectable record with national side (QF’s/last 8 is what I expect of England, anything more is unrealistic), he waved millions in compensation at Notts County, effectively doing the same at LCFC by agreeing to mutual termination and MCFC fans protested after he was sacked there because they felt the club was heading in the right direction.

          BBC: “City’s players are understood to have reacted with a mixture of shock and anger when Eriksson told them he would be leaving in April and he had the support of the majority of fans.”

        • ramblinjohn

          so he’s not a greedy man then…you may be right…i’ll just use his record at leicester as evidence from now on@TSS

        • TSS

          @ramblinjohn That’s fair enough, but it’s the one anomaly of an otherwise successful career. Things don’t always work out when you quickly throw a group of players together, success wasn’t instantaneous for Man City or Chelsea for example.

        • ramblinjohn

          @TSS thats true too…but he has no record of promotions at this level, no record of working on a tight budget and we do have enough embarassment with the chairman without a manger falling for the fake sheikh routine like eriksson did…an episode which seemed to portray him as a man who would do anything for cash. i think he would be like venable was…a once great manager (and venables was a much better manager than sven) who is past it and a fish out of water (sorry for overdoing the metaphors)

        • ramblinjohn

          @TSS @MikeLeeds I’d say on eriksson’s england record the stats don’t look too bad but he had the best group of players at one time than we’d had since 1990 and blew it

        • TSS

          @ramblinjohn Disagree on Sven v Venables personally. Respective records of success speak for themselves, anything else is subjective – of course, everyone has a valid opinion.

          He has some record of working to a budget early in his career. Winning the UEFA Cup with IFK Goteburg – a club whose funds will have paled by comparison to opposition – is how he made his name. From thereon in he’s going to attract attention from bigger clubs and those clubs come with bigger budgets. Can’t hold that against him, the most successful managers don’t tend to work in the Championship.

          As for England. This country has unrealistic expectations. We’ll never be as good as Germany, Brazil and Spain and unless a manager wins the European/World Cup they’re considered a failure. It’s not going to happen.

        • ramblinjohn

          @TSS

          i agree i may have been one sided on erikkson’s england record but at the time we had at least half a dozen world class players at the top of their game and we weren’t favourites for 2006 but we had a chance

          …i agree he has had a good record up to and including lazio…but he hasn’t won/achieved anything of any kind for more than 10 years..he’s a has-been

          all we need is someone who suits leeds now, who can say they have a track record of achieving in these circumstances

          warnock’s 7 promotions trumps eriksson’s 17 trophies is another way of putting it

        • MikeLeeds

          @ramblinjohn@TSS I think then sums it up he was reliable but no longer is – we need someone who wants to grow with club and commit (a rare thing in football is loyalty) – we had that in Grayson who as far as I am concerned got this club as far as it can possibly go under the current situation – I think we will realise what we have lost when he takes his next club into the Premier League – It would be interesting to see what he could do if he was given the 5m -7m that he should have had.

        • ramblinjohn

          @MikeLeeds @TSS absolutely right

        • TSS

          @ramblinjohn@MikeLeeds I neither agree or disagree with signing Eriksson, I was just pointing out the stereotype people have of him is wildly inaccurate and think he’s harshly done by considering the success he’s had.

  • MikeLeeds

    The only sensible thing bates has done has come out with the Redfirm gets 3 games bit – I can get on with my bloody work now instead of surfing all day!

  • northeastcorner

    The only way you could stomach Colin would be if Bates did to him what Wilko did to Vinnie Jones. Get him in to do a job and once it was done, get rid and get something better. Preferably live on national TV, in the post match interview.

  • Tim Campbell

    Me and five other lads are coming over from Northern Ireland for the West Ham game in March. Don’t think there should be any trouble getting tickets but is it the type of game where there could be a bit of aggro at PS not just talkin about on the pitch

    • TSS

      @Tim Campbell There’s rarely any trouble at any football game nowadays, far too heavily Policed. You’ll be fine.

      • Tim Campbell

        @TSS

        Thanx pal, in spite of the anger i feel towards chairman Bates I’m really looking forward to seein the lads playing – most of the people in my workplace support the mankers and are always going away on trips, so I hope this will be a trip to remember! PS Any good Indian restaurants AFTER we hit the pubs lol

  • ramblinjohn

    what’s the view round here about lee clark?

    …for me he’s been given a lot of support at huddersfield (relatively) and not achieved promotion …grayson did achieve more and probably spent less (though our wage bill is prob more than theirs)

    he looks a fair manger but had not actually achieved anything yet, no?

    • LUFC007

      @ramblinjohn

      In his first season at the club he helped them to a ninth-placed finish in League One. They also only lost two home league games under Clark in the 2008–09 season. In his second season in charge Clark helped Huddersfield to secure a play-off spot and became the first manager to win three Manager of the Month award in a single season since Roberto Martinez in 2007–08.[8] Huddersfield were defeated by Millwall in the 2009-10 play-off semi-final.

      In the 2010–11 season, Clark guided Huddersfield to a third-placed finish in the league, earning them a place in the Play-Offs after a club-record 25-game unbeaten run in the league. They reached the final after beating Bournemouth 4–2 on penalties, but lost 3–0 to Peterborough in the Old Trafford final. In July 2011, he agreed a new rolling contract with the club.[9]

      Clark continued breaking records at the beginning of the 2011/12 season, after 18 games of the current season their unbeaten run currently stands at 43 games, the 2nd longest domestic league unbeaten run in English football history

      • ramblinjohn

        @LUFC007 Yeah you just cut and pasted that from wikipedia though..what do you think yourself?

        i think you’d have to judge his record against the resources he’s been given – although track record is no guarantee it’s all we’ve got and clark just hasn’t got a track record of achieving anything yet…he might well do in the future but we need a manager now

        • TSS

          @ramblinjohn@LUFC007 Personally think promotion is all that matters and he hasn’t achieved that. The rest is trivial.

  • TimPM

    I hereby agree with the title :fumup:

  • TimPM

    BTW personally I read the ‘miracle worker’ comment as someone like Antic?

    Did cross my mind he meant Warnock, though.

  • MikeLeeds

    I wonder if its like this supporting other clubs or is it just Leeds United that everyone laughs at – which chairman in their right mind would expect the youth team coach to take you from the Championship to the Premier League….. its just a joke but its going to happen you can see it.

    Cheap option everytime -

    • Tim Campbell

      @MikeLeeds

      Like I said we’re now an off shoot of Poundstetchers

      • TSS

        @Tim Campbell@MikeLeeds Think you’re being disrespectful to Poundstretchers personally. Lidl or Aldi perhaps?

        • Tim Campbell

          @TSS @MikeLeeds

          Don’t worry TSS I do my fair share of shopping in Poundstretchers, I like Lidl’s range in red wine and i’m sorry don’t think we got Aldi here yet in norn ireland. Could do with a Morrisons if you could pass the word on lol

        • Tyler75

          @TSS @Tim Campbell @MikeLeeds Poundstretchers is a very well run and profitable business; we’re more your Costcutter type of operation !

        • Tim Campbell

          @Tyler75 @TSS @MikeLeeds

          The name is very appropriate – wonder does bates have shares?

  • Ron_Galea

    The saddest part about Grayson leaving is that once again, we the fans experience that alluring feeling they call ‘hope’, only to be fed the cheapest shit sandwich to munch on. Every transfer window it happens and I still fool myself that this time will be different. The minute we won the awful encounter at Bristol, I started to feel sick in my stomach in readiness for another panini of shit……..and so Redfearn keeps the reins. Like a f&cking budgerigar we go CCCHHHEEEEEEEAAAAAAAPPPPPP!

  • morleywhite

    Cappello anyone?lol. the bottlers just resigned.

    thank god.

    • Dje

      @morleywhite Christ, talk about Christmas coming early for the FA! ~ I reckon they wanted rid of him for ages now, just couldn’t afford to do it.

      • morleywhite

        wonder if mourinho would be tempted into testin himself with england?

        • Dje

          @morleywhite I think the FA want to go for a full English this time. Shame though, as Mourinho would at least be sheer entertainment regardless of what England do at Euro 2012.

        • morleywhite

          who u reckon then?Harry?

        • Dje

          @morleywhite He’s the best English manager for the job, IMHO – but Tottenham are going well so I’d surprised if he gave that all up so readily.

          I bet the likes of Martin O’Neill and Mark Hughes are kicking themselves that they’ve just taken up new posts.

          I reckon Stuart Pearce is worth a shout. [Although it might be worth putting a couple of quid of old Sven on a short term contract taking us up to 2012 and a new manager long term after that]

          What about you?

        • Ron_Galea

          @Dje @morleywhite I can’t believe people think Capello was a mistake. The problem is the England players, led by that reprobate John Terry. Overpaid underachievers is the best way to describe the Engalnd team. It won’t matter who takes over, the team will be destroyed in the summer.

        • Dje

          @Ron_Galea Nothing there I disagree with Ron – only if this is the case then why are the FA wasting £6m a year on Capello? I reckon we should see if Bates is willing to share Neil Redfearn with the England management post. They can go 50/50 on his wages.

  • DrD

    Bringing my 9 year old for his first game. I hope there is atmosphere! 1 win for safety, 9 wins for playoffs and 13 for automatic. Only a win will do. The fans must help. We can all join protests together when the time is right.

    • TimPM

      @DrD The march is perfect as it keeps the two bits separate.

      • DrD

        @TimPM As long as it oes not affect the players. Will be there.

  • morleywhite

    there talkin about harry doin the job on a part time basis for England and still workin with spurs til end of season.id settle for that i think harry would be the perfect man to take the 3 lions in to the euros.

  • TSS
    • Ozwhite

      @TSS Quality mate, that’s made my day and it’s only 7:50am

    • DrD

      @TSS Excellent. When you get it try 5 3 2

      • TSS

        @DrD To borrow a quote from Mike Bassett, “Leeds United will play 4-4-f**king-2″

  • Dje

    I prefer to compare it ‘normal life’, Colin. If Terry had been a school teacher and accused of sexually molesting one of his students, or a copper and accused of racism, he’d have been suspended, on full pay, whilst the investigation went on.

    The queer world of football is blurred because the accuser, in theory (I believe it actually became a criminal investigation because a member of the public heard what Terry said and reported it to the police, but let’s put that to a side for now), is an opponent and the game would turn into chaos if you could get your next opponents best players suspended by accusing them of being racist.

    But that’s partisan football club stuff – and Chelsea stand by their man without any care about racism or not just whether or not they can get him cleared of the charges.

    International football can stand back a bit and be more pragmatic than Chelsea can, more pragmatic than a headmaster can or police inspector. At which point ‘giving up’ (the press prefer the term ‘stripped’) the captaincy whilst the investigation is ongoing is not unreasonable.

    Considering teachers, health workers, police officers, priests and who have you are invariably always still seen as ‘dodgy’ when their name is cleared for kiddie-fiddling or malpractice (“no smoke without fire” etc), frequently have to leave their immediate workplace and the area they live in, I think Terry, Suarez, Evra, and their expensively laid out legal teams should count themselves fucking lucky and not whinge about wearing a captaincy badge or not.

    Would it have been too hard for Capello to walk the line on this?

    I think they all found an amicable and perfectly acceptable excuse for the guy to walk away. His heart never looked in the job anyway. No loss, IMHO.

    • TSS

      @Dje Capello is an excellent manager, but you’re right, his heart never seemed to be in it. Always looked a bit like he was enjoying his retirement.

      The Terry situation has been handled badly on all sides. He’s been a total disgrace to the England national side and shouldn’t be allowed to play for, never mind captain us, ever again.

      A true captain would have stood down to try and relieve pressure off his manager. Instead, Terry continued with his self-serving ways. The “Side Before Self” philosophy should be adopted by England I feel.

      • Tyler75

        @TSS@Dje John Terry is human garbage

      • Dje

        @TSS It has to be the best and most easy going retirement jobs ever. £120,000 per week and with little to do most months other than flying the world over to watch and be the guest of any match you care to.

        Every now and again you have to play a friendly or a easy qualifier (made easier by MOTD’s commentary team pointing out to the nation, immediately out before kick-off, that ‘there aren’t any more “easy games” in international football’. A ready made excuse for labouring a result). And then you get all the thanks and adulation by giving ‘fringe’ international players and kids a chance in the England shirt or outer- outer- wider- standby- emergency- squad (even though they never make the final cut).

        True, once every other year you have to go to a tournament and have a stressful few weeks – but at least these days they put up security shields to keep out the paparazzi’s cameras from spotting that you and the players ar ein fact doing little more than chillin’ in the sun, perhaps with the odd ball or two being lazily punted back and forth.

        And even when you DO underachieve in these tournaments you only have to endure a few weeks of ‘it’s not good enough’ and national soul-searching in the press before the ‘morons’ start believing may’be next time.

        What a doddle.

  • number1inyorkshire

    When Alan Smith (hallelujah) kicked the ball into the crowd and it hit a kid ,which he apologised for and gave him his shirt etc but was then investigated by the police ?? he was dropped by England and wasn’t allowed to play until after the legal process was concluded ..

    What terry did was far worse, and he did say those things he is accused of .whether it should be going to court is another matter ,however Capello should be allowed to pick his players fact is he shouldn’t be wanting to pick terry ,who is a twat ,

    John terry should now resign from the England set up and play for Chelsea .

    redknapp should have been found guilty today he is another clown..

    Grayson for England

    • number1inyorkshire

      sorry he kicked a bottle not not a ball ,,he would never have hit him with a ball !!!

      • number1inyorkshire

        sorry Colin has corrected me he threw it accidently not kicked it as he would not of hit him had he kicked it lol

  • TSS

    @Dje You are innocent until proven guilty, that’s why you’re suspended and not fired. That was Dje’s point, no?

    John Terry already fucked up enough as England captain by shagging Wayne Bridge’s missus. He’s an awful human-being that has done nothing for England but upset half the squad. Quite how he’s lasted this long is a mystery.

  • number1inyorkshire

    what a climb down by leeds united ,we need to act quickly by giving the caretaker 4 matches WTF??

    Put your money on Redfearn and Mervyn Day the low cost double act ,but thank god Sven aint coming ,,

    But disappointed the play station chap didn’t at least get an interview he might have been the next AVB .

    On a more serious not Ken Bates let it be known he will not be in town for the LUST march but more importantly he has a cold but at this time of year can be fatal to the odd octogenarian if it develops into pneumonia ,,Church on Sunday for prayers

  • TSS

    @number1inyorkshire Regardless, Smith, Woodgate and Bowyer were all suspended pending a legal investigation. Terry meanwhile gets off scot-free. The FA have made a mockery of themselves with more double-standards.

  • john8oy

    It worries me that you seem to be becoming a rather loud voice and are trying to speak for all Leeds fans. I don’t know one Leeds fan that wants Warnock in, neither do I think Redfearn beig given a crack o the whip is being met with widespread disapproval. In fact I think it’s one of the only sensible things bates has ever done, he’s still a knob head mind.
    MOT

    • TimPM

      @john8oy TSS has hardly been pro-Warnock.

      Equally, TSS hasn’t been as anti-“Redders”as plenty I’ve heard have.

    • TSS

      @john8oy

      Re Warnock – check the “who do you want as next Leeds boss” poll on YEP.

      As for Redfearn, I agree it’s a sensible option, but take five minutes to check the social networks, messageboards and other sites to gauge the reaction there. The instant reaction they provide is all I had to go off at the time of writing as it had only just been announced. It might not be your personal opinion, I never said it was, but it was/is the general consensus.

  • number1inyorkshire

    i was there that day he didn’t throw it he kicked it it was an accident .no charges were brought ,,

    terry is a thug ,he was a good footballer but his history tells you even having affairs etc he should never be England captain he should resign from playing for England .By the way he will get done in court the video does not lie im afraid ..

  • number1inyorkshire

    @TSS The F A and football league are spineless idiots they are a laughing stock of world football .

    its the only thing i agree with Bates about his slagging off ,of both organisations

  • Dje

    You’re life is screwed up but each of those examples would work again if found innocent (the State and unions are very keen to move teachers on and find them new jobs). I’d even suggest that if found guilty, so would Terry as there are enough clubs out there without any morals; a lot of fans too.

    Yes I agree about innocent until proven guilty, but as I suggested, the nature of football has to be an ‘active’ and participatory role and not a theoretical one (ie. if Terry was captain, another England player would take over the captaincy). To be suspended – whether through a cautionary measure, or for ill-discipline – IS a punishment.

    Terry and Capello would have had a stronger case if the alleged racism was off the field – ie. MORE like the Bowyer and Woodgate incident. But as it happened on the field the FA has greater reason and more pressure on them to intervene.

    Without pretending to be a lawyer, it looks indisputable from the TV footage that he said the word n****** at Anton Ferdinand on a number of occasions. His only defense is the line: ‘I was not calling him a n***** but telling him I wasn’t calling him a n*****’. That malicious little sneer in his face betrays him, but even if we believe him I think the FA could justify him of erring by actually using that word rather than say the far more acceptable, ‘I never fucking said that, you cunt’. Does that make it racist? Nope, but he could have avoided the accusation far easily than he has. From which Terry has helped force the FA’s hand (or gave them the opportunity depending on your reading of it).

  • Dje

    Sorry, Colin: it was supposed to read, ” (ie. if Terry was captain BUT INJURED, another England player would take over the captaincy)”

  • number1inyorkshire

    either way it bounced not straight into the crowd he didn’t deliberately throw it at anyone it was an accident he apologised straight away it was frustration not deliberate thuggery ,

    Terry called ferdinand a @~+~# %$£@@’

  • number1inyorkshire

    thats why we never got him back .i thought you were his biggest fan too

  • number1inyorkshire

    i was there colin i have missed 2 games at at E R in 27 years one was brothers wedding day the other the day my mother died get a grip you fucking clown either way it never got to court cos it was an accident

    just for the record that has been accepted as a fact now which is why NO charges were brought

    it bounced into the crowd had he done it on purpose it would have been different he threw a bottle that just happened to hit young lad in the crowd by bouncing into him .you make it sound as if he smashed it on the floor and bottled him

  • number1inyorkshire

    gonna start again LOL

    I was at ER the day Alan Smith THREW a sports drink bottle onto the side of the pitch in frustration which accidently bounced into the crowd hitting a young lad in the face ,Smith apologised at the time and gave him his shirt etc afterwards ,but then was later dropped by England until a further investigation took place by her majestys west yorkshire police .it was later decided it was an accident so no charges were ever brought and they all lived happily ever after .

    well if you can include leaving to go to MANU and Newcastle and mk dons ..

    So in my opinion which may not be the same as yours is that he should have been dropped from the role as England captain and indeed from England all together until any impending court case finds him GUILTY or not .

  • number1inyorkshire

    done cheers pal

  • Dje

    Nah, not every racist looks the same. At least Suarez smiles, albeit manically.

    They showed what Terry mouthed on Newsnight or Channel 4 News or something a while back without the morphing (sorry, cant find the link now). At the time one of the commentators (as in a news type, not sport commentator) alleging that Terry called Ferdinand “a f****** b**** c***, f****** n*****.”

    But the liberal left must have out-done-themselves as it is now down to being either a version of saying (or not saying): “a f****** black c***, f****** knobhead,” or “a f****** blind c***, f****** knobhead.”

  • TSS

    @number1inyorkshire Christ children, can I not leave you lot alone for five minutes? ;-) MOT

  • phi1888

    Capello unemployed??? I’m sure KB would find his wage demands reasonable, so why not;-)

  • MikeLeeds

    Considering the list of scum…… er sorry ex red n blue players, alan (get out of my way or ill stick my elbow in yer ribs) shearer, Sven (I have no chance anyway but if I did come id be sh***ing all your wifes) Erikson and Raddy (ive no f***King interest but just thought it would put my name about (your joking at £30,000 a year surely) Antic I think Redders is a close second to Neil (I f**King h8t leeds and like laughing at them) Warnock who must get the job…….. unless Fabio (ive been getting 6million a year fer doing F**kall so £30,000 is OK ) Capello would like a go at the poisen challis that is managing Leeds United (the greatest club and fans in the world)

  • TimPM

    Do you seriously want a ten year old in charge? Age brings experience. At QPR he was hardly flooded with money in the Championship, and he’s got promotion after promotion – in the playoffs.

    If he wants to come to Leeds, I’m sure he’ll find all the campsites, one-track roads and inbred locals he wants in the Dales.

    We have alternatives: a League One failure at Huddersfield, a child at MKD, Jones who couldn’t buy promotion with Cardiff, “Redders”…