Mick McCarthy Latest Favourite For Leeds Job

I think with a new manager appointed straight away we could maybe have a chance of making he play offs this season. If we give it to redfearn and wait till the summer then we are basically writing this season off and just planning for next year which doesn't give me anything to look forward to for the rest of the season apart from to watch everybody else's club get excited about possible promotion! MOT

Also poyet would be my first choice then mcarthy then odriscol

BigGav1001 Wehave a chance of winning playoffs. But if Bates would promise us someone like Poyet in the Summer as a trade-in for accepting "Redders" I reckon most fans would take it.

But if he doesn't, and that's his way of thinking, it's a bad do because the fans are getting increasingly restless at what seems like yet more dithering and lack of ambition.

TSS To be honest, it looks more like Frank Gallagher joining the LUST cause by don-ing a Bates face mask.

Dje That's just a happy coincidence lol

Except the obvious point, Colin: I new man coming in after the transfer window is shut is a cheap man. Personally I think it is as much Bates wanting to see some return from the B-team we brought in on frees two years ago: Bruce, Sam, Paynter, Brown, O'Brien, more than stubbornly refusing to pay for any new transfers (although that is still a worthy suspicion).

But, yes, waiting until March is unforgivable. I can only hope that it is because our new manager is currently unavailable rather than Bates genuinely thinking Redfearn and our Academy goalkeeping coach secretly had it in them to take us further than Grayson-Miller-Snodin did all along.

Don't you reckon Bates believes his own lies though, Colin? I genuinely belief he thinks Grayson should have had us up in the top two at this stage of the season - regardless of our mediocre squad.

The other day Bates was laughing that Grayson wanted to bring in another central midfielder and it'd cost £1.2m over the course of his contract. That isn't much, especially if it was a two or three year contract. But more worrying was Bates seemingly oblivious to the thought that we had just sold one of our two regular central midfielders: Howson.

To you or I it is obvious that you need to try and replace Howson, like for like. Instead Bates just played the numbers and said we had enough bodies in midfield already. I think he said thisa numbered eight already and mocked Grayson for it. Wow, eight midfielders in the squad when we have more often than not played five across midfield.

What a think cunt he really must be if he believes that sheer numbers will do, quantity over quality, especially when the quantity isn't even very large.

When you don;t give a shit about quality then really why would Bates worry himself to add haste to get promoted? To you or I, we know that if we don't succeed this year, or at least improve on last season, then White, Clayton, Lees, McCormack and Snodgrass (the last jewel) will all be off in the summer. The mediocre squad we already have will then be in a pitiful shape and next season will be a struggle to stay up. But if Dates believes the most important thing is cash-in on players before they walk off for free then he'll take the cash and give us more Brown's, Paynter's, Bruce's in their place to make up the numbers.

At which point, with an inevitable win for Redfearn against either Coventry or Doncaster (surely we can beat one of them!), he'll give him the job 'til the end of the season.

A permanent manager will then be tempted in with the promise that Snodgrass's imminent transfer fee (after he has asked to be transfer listed) will be there for the new manager to recruit replacements and re-strengthen. To Warnock or McCartney, or whoever, £4-5m probably looks adequate to build a team to compete for the Championship title next season. Only we all know that whoever comes in will be hoodwinked and receive only a fraction of any transfer fees for our last remaining talent.

So, sadly I don't think Bates will ever consider himself a failure and will continue to blame everyone but himself regardless of our results. Tis grim.

They say Valentines is a testing time for many with unfulfilled promises; I sense you are not taking the 'separation' well, Colin!

Dje Make sure its not the West Stand, as it will probably fall down if you do !

All good points Colin, however I would argue with an experienced Manager like McCarthy coming in to galvanise the players there is no reason why 8 points from those 4 games is not achievable - with more or less the same players we stuffed Hull earlier in the season, only lost to Boro because of 2 sendings off and outplayed them with 10 men, more than matched West Ham and had a shocker on the first day of the season against a newly promoted side. This is the crux for me, if Bates truly believes in and wants promotion then McCarthy or Warnock or Curbishley or even Di Matteo is a no-brainer. Unfortunately I don't believe he's interested or committed to establishing Leeds Utd as a top-flight side; so it will be Redfearn on the cheap or Ince to finish off the job of antagonising us 'morons'.

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I think we should just put it down to a Monday morning hangover in the Leeds United admin.

Thebeeb You get what you pay for though, surely? Wolves were massively underfunded compared to clubs in the Premier League. Wouldn't you expect them to struggle against multi-million pound strike forces? He kept them up twice, that was nothing short of miraculous in my opinion.

TSSThebeeb yeah he did a good job considering.......Wolves were down in the lower divisions for years until MM came along

Thebeeb The Teams that he got promoted from the Championship were built from the back and his Ireland teams were difficult to beat and shipped few goals. Sometimes a Manager is at a club too long and with limited resources, can't get any more out of the players at his disposal, which may well have been the case with Mick.

Tyler75Thebeeb seems like a fair assessment

Tyler75 Good point,problem is that's us ,limited resources,I know my mate looks at Swansea & Norwich and sees teams with limited funding playing far more attractive football & staying out of trouble

ThebeebTyler75 Difference there is that they had some excellent players that they invested appropriately to keep and have since just cherry picked with bottom half funding. They've followed through on a long-term vision which we simply don't have. If we had, Howson, Beckford, Gradel etc... would all have been tied down early and still be playing for us now. Probably in the Prem.

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whitemartin Not entirely sure who that was aimed at, but agree. I'd be happy with McCarthy.

Chareose Not sure McCarthy is the type of guy to put up with any shit; which is why he may not come !

lufc79 I think out squad is pretty good, I think they need organising, motivating, and need lessons in what is expected at LUFC....i think then we might see a different Leeds

what i ment was the players around the the first team that cant get in to the team.

Thebeeb Relative funds have to be taken into consideration. He had nothing to spend - what more do you expect under those circumstances? Keeping them up twice was better than most managers would have managed.