Marching To Defeat: Leeds 1-2 Brighton

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Match day started at Leeds City Square where hundreds of disillusioned fans gathered to campaign against Ken Bates’ ongoing reign of terror. “Bates Out” chants were echoed repeatedly as the 800+ strong army of Whites fans marched towards Elland Road, determined to make their voices heard.

The numbers involved make it hard for anyone to dismiss the overwhelming feeling of disillusionment shared by almost the entire Leeds United fan base. This wasn’t a march of some thuggish youngsters looking to cause trouble, it was a group of concerned, mostly season ticket holding, lifelong Leeds United supporters who had simply had enough. They’d ran out of options, and in LUST, they’d found someone willing to speak for the majority. A banner under whose name the Leeds United fans could be represented.

Of course, this is but a small minority of fans who feel they’ve been pushed to extremes, and numerically speaking they only account for around 5% of yesterdays attendance. They’re the ones that feel inaction is no longer an option, but the feeling of disillusionment is not confined to those on the protest march. A recent poll on the Yorkshire Evening Post website, impossible to dismiss simply because of the numbers involved shows 84% blame Bates for the current league position. It was even more damning before the YEP changed the poll from “Who do you blame for the current situation at Elland Road?” to it’s current wording – at that stage 92% said they held Bates responsible.

The irony of the Leeds United fans protests was hard to ignore. We were marching to a stadium where we intended to hand over large sums of money to the man we were protesting against for wasting our large sums of money. It was money we knew would have no effect on the underfunded team we were all there to try and support. The unavoidable reality is, those of us marching continue to fund the ongoing madness. It’s a bit like the American’s providing whichever oil-rich-third-world-country they decide to go to war with next with weapons and ammo.

But football is a bizarre world, only here can customers be regularly abused and keep coming back for more .Our irrational sense of loyalty doesn’t allow for an alternative.

After the protests ended, there was the small matter of a football match to turn our attention towards. Neil Redfearn had stuck with the same team that played Bristol City and the same kind of performance followed. Only this time, two red cards wouldn’t come to our rescue.

A strong penalty shout was about all The Whites could muster in an instantly forgettable first half. Robert Snodgrass was being doubled up on down the right wing and Aidy White wasn’t having much more joy down the left. Leeds lacked a certain creativity, an unpredictable spark that could turn a game on it’s head in an instant – a Max Gradel for example?

If you think I’m summarising a little too much, the sum total of attacking threat during the first half was Adam Smith forcing a save just before half-time, two wayward attempts on goal by an out-of-sorts Luciano Becchio and a long range strike from Brighton that was saved by Andy Lonergan. Aside from Ross McCormack’s penalty shout, that was it. Leeds were posing no real threat in the final third, nor were Brighton.

The second half saw a slight improvement, but more for Brighton than it was Leeds. Andy Lonergan made a couple of strong saves, most notable of which was a great reactionary save to deny former Leeds loanee Sam Vokes from close range. Leeds picked up a little from there and created a couple of half chances, but it was substitute Craig Mackail-Smith that opened the scoring with just 15 minutes remaining. 0-1.

As I’d predicted moments earlier, Becchio was the one to restore parity for The Whites. Often seems to be the case with Luciano that when he’s looking a little below par, he pops up with a crucial goal. It was an instant response from Leeds with the Argentinian heading home a Robert Snodgrass corner. 1-1, and two teams with a habit of scoring injury time winners were heading for a show-down.

Four minutes added on but the visitors wouldn’t need them. Adam Navarro scored in the first minute of stoppage time and the response from Leeds was largely non-existent. The late flurry of attacks we’ve relied on (and indeed secured a lot of our points from) this season was nowhere to be seen – that was perhaps the only noticeable difference between the final few performances under Simon Grayson and the Neil Redfearn brand of football. Well, that and his reluctance to make a substitution.

A poor game overall with Leeds getting exactly what they deserved. That’s not to say Brighton performed much better, they were equally poor if anything, but as the home side, Leeds should really be looking to dominate these fixtures and they failed to do so. Had Leeds been in control and were simply caught twice on the break, then fair enough, but they weren’t. At no point throughout the fixture did Brighton look under intense, or even moderate pressure from Leeds. They just turned up and took their chances without any noticeable battle in between.

I don’t want to sound overly critical of Neil Redfearn because he’s in the job for the next two games and I’ll give a fair chance to whoever is managing the team – whether it’s on a temporary or permanent basis. But it’s hard to see what he did differently from Simon Grayson? If anything, Grayson would have probably won this with a late flurry, Brighton were there for the taking and we were void of any attacking threat.

More concerning still is Redfearn’s post-match comments where the caretaker manager points to ongoing problems with the defence, fails to mention our lack of any discernible attacking ideas and then states we didn’t deserve to lose. Sorry Neil, but we did. And it’s this kind of pandering that excuses poor performances, the message to the players is “unlucky” as opposed to “not good enough” – which it damn well wasn’t!

It was an almost sleep-inducing performance of the worst possible quality without an end result. If the plan is to go out and win every game 1-0, then fair enough, I can handle the depressing George Graham-esque football if it gets us promoted. But Redfearn’s comments when he took charge were that he knew what the problems were and was confident he could fix them. Nothing has changed!

“Back to the drawing board” was Redfearn’s response. No Neil, it’s back to the youth team!

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Founder and editor of The Scratching Shed, born locally and have followed Leeds United all my life from the dizzying heights of Europe, to the dark depths of League One. Prone to the occasional Bates rant.

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southwestdurhamwhite 5 pts

leeds united have tonight signed a new shirt sponsor....'in association pampers, piss at the front, shit at the back'................we need bates out, protest on staruday and dont spend a bean at the club, programmes, shop etc until the old coot is gone, he is becoming a very wealthy man from our loyalty

Snowjoke 9 pts

Wise words, osbaby. But before the debate becomes too heated for me, could I change tack by asking whether anyone has news of Robbie Rogers? Our Yank, who the previous Manager suggested was in line for an early debut, didn't get off the bench at Bristol, didn't even get on it against Brighton and seems to be disappearing off the radar. This would be a surprise and a disappointment as, in a video clip running on another site, he looked a very interesting player - gliding effortlessly past several defenders before thumping in a peach of a 25-yarder. Yes, I know selective video clips can be misleading but, if this bloke is the real deal (and he came to us highly recommended by Jurgen Klinsmann, no less), he could be making a vital difference to our serial, lacklustre performances. it would be regrettable if Rogers was destined to become one of those mystery "invisibles" in the LU squad whose name is never called.

henrymouni 34 pts

IF we were, by some miracle, to get promoted, all income would increase dramatically.

Crowds up 60%, from what they are now.

Club shop sales and season ticket increases ("you have to pay if you want the best players" KB).

Sky money, with parachute payments if we come back down.

TV appearance revenue - big leap.

League position money.

Fair weather fans packing the ground for the big games.

Club sponsors would have to pay a lot more!!

Matchday billboard advertising charges would rocket.

The saleable value of the club, and the attractiveness to investors would soar!!

There is no sensible reason why KB would NOT want promotion this season!

KB's belief, however, that it is "'Club' first and team second" is seriously flawed!!

He said that to Ben Fry last week, or the week before.

mattbb1 92 pts

as much as redferan is a likeable guy, bates is now not even trying to hide his contempt for Leeds United by allowing him to continue after Saturday. So hes got a cold and wants to stay in Monaco, boo hoo, is that convalescence worth £20m?... Bates may well be waiting for Warnock or McCarthy to become available, but then why on earth did he sack Grayson? I'm sure we would have beaten Brighton with him in charge, he might for instance have played Rogers, or at least put him on the bech, and bringing on Nunez? cleaely Redfearn is out of his depth. I think either Bates has completely lost the plot, or else hes run out of money.

mattbb1

Come on, Redfearn may be out of his depth, but I cannot for the life of me see how you can deduce that from Saturday. As for Nunez, presumably it was SG's idea to give him a contract in the autumn....no club can afford to have so many players with good contracts, as Leeds does, warming benches. And whose idea was it to blow 500K on Pugh, who brings nothing to the squad we di not alreday have and who, on Sarturday, had to be helped out by White throughout. As for Rogers, he may not be ready....and anyway what about Townsend, who showed against Burnley what he could do ?

TimPM 52 pts

mattbb1 With Pugh I think we need to remember that he's always been a winger, doing a good job as a central midfielder.

Now he comes to Leeds, where many a death-defying backflip was had before Blackwell randomly kicked him out, and he's asked to play left-back.

It's like Bradley Johnson all over again!

TimPMmattbb1

Yes, but he does not have the pace to play wide and is not needed there anyway. So where does he play ? Central midfield ? - that's currently occupied. I can see him in a defensively minded set up, that's all, picking up the bits so to speak. One thought is to play him alongside Lees instead of O'Dea....but I am not sure if he is strong enough in the tackle for that role. Ah, Johnners, now there's someone who could have been trained up for a central defensive role...one felt, where the huge turning circle matters less, perhaps.

TimPM 52 pts

mattbb1 Well, given he grew up as an attacking midfielder or a winger, it would be truly bizarre to put him in central defence ahead of O'B or Bruce.

He supports play well, he sniffs out loose balls, he does the rights things that alot of our players don't do because they're youngsters. Stick him in central midfield when Delph is gone and I think we'll have a more measured approach. Apart from anything else, Clayton would be able to focus more on playmaking if Pugh was beside him mopping up spills etc.

MikeLeeds 12 pts

Probobly deserved a draw yesterday but thats it - we did twice the running of Brighton which shows what a good job Poyet has done there. The only positive was that the ball was on the floor as opposed to being in the air....... I suppose while there is a smell of the playoffs you pray for a turn-a-round - it wont come with Redfern though - its Warnock in the next week - ten days or its all over for this season

Coventry away...... the bottom club...... confident of a win ....No

"Bates said that Franks had “never been to Leeds”, before targeting his other rivals. “We have serious investors who want to come in for the right reasons,” Bates said. “Simon Morris was more interested in the property than the football club.”"

Love the hypocrisy in the last sentence.

Not keen on Ken 6 pts

Having read this, why would KB want promotion anytime soon, it would cost a small fortune ...... One day before the 28 day period was due to end, Bates altered his offer to ensure it was not challenged. He altered the clause stating that if Leeds made the premiership in five years then the creditors would receive an extra 30p in the pound, extending this period of time to 10 years, and increased the amount they would receive from 1p in the pound to 8p in the pound straight away.[24][25] The 28 day period was due to come to a close on 3 July 2007 at 4pm (BST).[25] With just minutes to spare HM Revenue & Customs challenged the CVA. This left a very uncertain future and possibly liquidation of the club.[26] Bates had previously stated "If there is a legal challenge, it could take two or three months to get to court and be decided. In the meantime, who is going to pay to run the club? So far it's been funded by the 'new Leeds', but if there is a challenge, the 'new Leeds' won't do it because it's a risk. The implications are that the club would close down. It would mean liquidation. Leeds United would cease to exist, and the loss of 500 jobs would be a further drain on government resources."[27] With the intention to challenge the CVA announced by HMRC, Simon Franks announced he was determined to buy Leeds United through his Redbus investment vehicle. He commented "We are absolutely committed to gaining control of Leeds United and to rebuilding the club, We have already told the liquidator that we will cover short term liquidity problems and that will be standing by our bid and will increase it given certain information. Our bid was significantly better than Ken Bates' and we are in a position to move very quickly if we are offered the right commercial terms."[28] Following the challenge by HMRC the club was put up for sale by KPMG, with only offers before 5pm (BST) on Monday 9 July 2007 being accepted.[29] Former Leeds commercial director Adam Pearson also stated he intended to make a bid for Leeds however Ken Bates has stated that he will take legal action if any other bid than his own is successful.[30] After the deadline had passed it was revealed that Simon Franks and Simon Morris had joined forces to bid for the club.[31] After Much deliberation KPMG revealed that once again they had chosen Ken Bates' bid.[32] The league eventually sanctioned the sale to Bates without the club going through a CVA under the "exceptional circumstances rule" but imposed a 15 point deduction due to not following football league rules on clubs entering administration.[33] On 31 August 2007 HMRC decided not to pursue their legal challenge any further therefore accepting Bates' final offer.[34]

mattbb1 92 pts

well yes, it is 5 years over this year in July, so whilst promotion would net £20m a year it may cost ken something like £500k-£1m cash, but thats peanuts in the greater context so something is not right here. I'll say it again, he's in financial trouble in my opinion, the good news though is that it means he is ripe to be ousted if anyone made a half decent offer for the club.

TimPM 52 pts

mattbb1 I'm a bit bemused too. Even taking the full thwack being due back, we'd still be 140K p/w better off for promotion, at an educated guess. Which would secure 3-4 reasonably good Premiership players while allowing for changes to existing contracts.

Of course it could all be a misunderstanding. A £9mil budget (including ALL staff means £6.5k average wage, but lets say with youth grants, etc., it's more like £5k p/w.) could be exceptionally high for a none para payments club. Grayson might have just overspent on our current squad. Afterall we only have the old finances to look at. Back then we didn't have the likes of Hull, Burnley, etc. demoted without re-promotion. And I seem to recall that the para payments are handed out amongst the Champship if those clubs go back up within their 2 years? And O'Brien was a Premiership player, Bruce was a proven Championship player that Grayson was excited about, Michael Brown had been in the Premiership just before we signed him as a panacea to our lack of experience in the middle, and Paynter was supposed to be a great Beckfordesque find for us for the Championship.

Then again, whatever way you look at it for the entire wage bill of the club to be roughly £9mil p/a, considering in League One our gates were something like £11.5million... Don't know if that's before tax but I doubt it. Add to that roughly £12mil(?) arrived at from player sales over the past 3-4 years and it's looking much more likely that there's an inexplicable black hole in the club.

But then that cash must have gone somewhere. £7mil on an East stand, anybody?

mattbb1 92 pts

TimPM i dont even think the trasnfer money has gone on the stand, i think thats been financed by a loan, and Bates has said as much. I think we all might get into some kind of trouble making assertions, but one suggestion may be that the money has simply gone back to those backing Bates, as a payback on their investment, and that that is embodied in the nett expenditure columns to advisors and professional services? or to agents, an unfeasibly high number for a c lub as mean as we are. We could be frivolous and say that hes waiting for the 5 year period to end and has been stockpiling the cash? but realistically the cupboard iswell and truly bare.

NorthEastLoiner 15 pts

Poor performance yes but no player or team wants to hear public criticism from their manager. Redfearn has shown by his criticism that he's not up to the job, do you hear Fergie or Wenger openly criticising their team. The next training should be the time for home truths but in public the manager should take the blame. Redfearn should get out now and let someone with balls take over

TimPM 52 pts

NorthEastLoiner I have heard most top managers criticising aspects of their team when their team isn't performing.

If Redfearn put a team out there and he feels they didn't put in enough effort then he's well within rights to criticise them.

TimPM 52 pts

NorthEastLoiner Not that I'm saying he's a top manager, mind!

DrD 13 pts

Less than 500. I was at the tail end. Don't think we are doing any good! Bates will be gone by 2015 or so. Either support the team or stay away and we have to put up or sxxx up. Need a manager now as the season will be over in the next 3 or 4 games. Then we lose remaining decent players...

Oh dear 5 pts

Wow what an imporessive protest, about 6 people singing, 2 holding banners and a couple of old folk walking the dog. I bet old Captain Birdseye id trembling over there in Monaco.

With such a show of force as this I expect regime change to be somewhere around 2019 !

Ron_Galea 20 pts

Losing at home to a fellow mid-table team is not good enough. Giving Redfearn the reigns was never going to provide the impetus for a promotion push because the players know him well. We need a shake-up or this season is forgettable.

BarneyWhite 10 pts

we need to Boycott the Soton game - I am pig sick of attending home games at er - it is dire, atmosphere, performance the lot . The season in petering out to to nothing - being honest we all knew this would be the case back in August. Can't get excited about the next manager - with Bates nothing will change.

I admire those who continue to support "the team" but it is doing no good - The only solution is to stop paying up. Soton should be a start - 15k would make him think. It is pub for me. I am so pleased I have not renewed. my season ticket will expire in May and that will be it for me until he has gone. It's sad but I cannot justify supporting the Bates regime.

Bluesman 25 pts

I don't believe that they will ever pay for a decent manager anymore than they will bankroll a transfer fund! Technical director - what technical director do we have. One one can't build on quality and agrees to sell some of the best players. No investment in the team, no investment in the squad! What are they saying now? A big appointment, but not necessarily in name. Bull! Not in terms of finance more likely. They are like my Arse!!

Don't wish to have a go at NR as he is doing a job in difficult circumstances, however if he has any ambitions to do the job on perm basis there needs to be more thought in his selection/tactics. It appeared for 70ish mins that NR was happy to take a nil-nil draw with tactics to negate the opposition threat. This is despite the fact that Aide White was as effective as a fart in a hurricance and Bechio (I know he scored) spent most of the game try to trap a soapy beachball and then persistently throwing himself to the ground. Subs bench lacked any inspiration and clearly no confidence from NR as he resisted making any changes until we conceeded. Final straw for me was with 3 mins left and 2 - 1 down, Nunez was brought on for McCormack. Why the chuff did we not sacrifice a defender and go for broke.

A draw yesterday would have been a fair reflection of the game overall. The lads (which is what the majority were) did not deserve to lose. The obvious difference between Refearn's team yesterday and SG's is that O'Dea apart there was less hoof ball, which I applaud. One consequence, though, was that Becchio and Macca were too often playing a little too deep. What we most obviously lacked - as TSS points out - is running players in front positions. The only way I can see of rectifying this, with the present squad, is to play Townsend on the left side of a front three, with one other playing behind these, say McCormack or Snoddy. It means White too playing in what is currently his best position, left back: yesterday he spent a lot of time helping Pugh, so he may well be there anyway. As for Poyet, it is plain too that he would come here, if offered the job, at the right time, say the end of the season. So let's hope Reddy - a more convincing football man than SG, in my view - can keep us in a top ten position, till the next cycle begins. As for the protest, one senses that most fans are unwilling to sign up yet to a Bates Out agenda, given the unknown implications. At any rate, that is the conclusion I drew from the lack of attention paid to the Bates Out banner, which made its way round a full Pavilion before the match. What struck me most though about yesterday was the generally deflated air around the whole place. Even the Bates Out chants had a ritual air about them. God, we desperately need some big home wins.

Chareose 61 pts

"most fans are unwilling to sign up yet to a Bates out agenda" Irving I find your constant defence of ignoring the Bates regime as odd but this statement is the most rediculous yet.........What would it actually take for your to accept that the MAJORITY of Leeds fans want Ken Bates to leave ?? Have you perchance seen the results of all the polls conducted on the question ????!!!

Considering the state of the club, the lies, hypocrasy, deceipt, lack of funding, the insults towards I would think that ANY LEEDS fan who DOESNT want Ken Bates OUT of Leeds United is actually Clinicly INSANE !

pete58 11 pts

Chareose never a truer word spoken!

I was merely reporting the evidence of my own eyes - and on some of my conversations. As for the rest, I don't deal in absolutes, so we have nothing to say to each other.

RickHx 9 pts

"Banner going round a full pavilion", hardly a place to find anti Bates campaigners, who vow not to give him anymore of their hard earned

Chareose

It`s not odd at all. Mr O8 is a thoughtful and measured contributor whilst you, Mr Chareose, get a bit excited and, dare I say, fanciful

MOT regardless but I don`t see today as a time for bickering. The important point is that the march happened and significant numbers participated. The percentage of the crowd and the response of the Pavilion aren`t really relevant. It was a big enough event to stir the adrenal glands of Bates`s enemies beyond the Leeds fanbase. That`s what matters.

Chareose 61 pts

Chareose

You mean hes measured and thoughtful because he comes from the same school as you ......... "The lets be thoughtful and measured by sticking our heads up our own asses and ignoring a problem until it becomes a bigger problem " school of thought.......................I only wish I had half your wisdom and patience Mr Baby :o)

Chareose

It`s about thorough assessment of the problem and the fabrication of an edffective solution. Singling out people you believe to be Bates propogandists, or insane, contributes precisely nothing to either process.

Chareose 61 pts

Chareose

you cant asess a problem until you accept there is one so dont give me all that pompous rubbish. Irving still thinks everything can be rosie and YOU have ONLY just started to change the tone of your posts from the same line. God knows its taken you long enough to catch up with an inferior intellect like me

Chareose

It`s like this for me. I did quite a lot of years in the Army. Blair and Bush had a get together once when some of your fellow "inferior intellects" got all carried away with the Saddam Out part of the agenda and finished the meeting before the who fills the vacuum item on the agenda was discussed. A lot of good hands died as a result of that mistake. Some I knew. Perhaps you can forgive me if I`m now a little cautious of those as excitable as you

It`s no great coincidence that Bates owns a football clubs. They`re very attractive train sets to megalomaniacs. Even uneducated Taliban understand the concept of a long war. You don`t know the truth of it. I don`t but if Bates pops his clogs tomorrow and the banks are owed nothing perhaps Irving`s rosey scenario is closer than you think.

As for me my opinion hasn`t changed one jot. I`m not an anti-Bates militant. However, I admire the LUST campaign for making their stand. I think their strategy could do with some refining asnd I`ve said so. A bit more constructive than your wild goose chase in pursuit of Bates`s propaganda machine

Tare 7 pts

Hell is well below the zero so if no one is looking for it, there is now rapid solution for LU promotion so tell me the recipe. Task master KB has his credentials possibly so how to proceed; some "MMM£s" to spend perhaps.....

Tare

Tyler75 93 pts

The Kaiser Chiefs are on tour at the moment and apparently have 'Bates Out' spelt across their speakers !

My personal preference is for Di Matteo or Curbishley, however if McCarthy or Warnock came I'd definitely be encouraged as neither are yes men and would only come on their own terms and an opportunity to re-establish a club like ours is something both would relish. MOT join LUST.

trueyorxman 9 pts

Poyet is the man and he said all the right words after yesterdays game about the cluband the city but we all know why he wont be coming, so f**king annoying.

I thought Tom Lees gave an immeasurably better performance against Brighton. He was calm, composed, and rarely played hoofball when given time and space. Clearly, Redfearn has said something to him on an individual level and i'm sure what he has been saying to the rest of the players looks to have had an effect.

Agree. It may have been a bit dull, but at least it looked like football.

Cumbrian White 9 pts

It is absolutely breaking my heart the way our beloved Leeds United is being run. We can't stay away from Elland Road because he would just get rid of our decent players and would'nt give a toss if we went into administration or even folded . He does not care about Leeds United and cares even less about our fans. We need to keep supporting in our numbers and back the boys even if it means paying his extortionate prices just in case someone comes in for us and buys the club from Mr Bates. I can only travel down to about 10 home games a season and i have paid 97 quid for 3 tickets in the Kop next Saturday , i really begrudge paying that much money to see our very average squad play in this average league but i will support them until my dying day , i just hope that we eventually some knight in shining armour come over the horizon to rescue us and we see the back of this man , who has hated Leeds United for decades !!!!! - i live in hope

oldcomrade 7 pts

Cumbrian White

couldnt agree more,but at the moment its bloody hard work watching the way we are playing

The WhiteLizard 8 pts

I read in one report that Keith Curle, Warnock's right-hand man, was at the game. Can anyone verify that? If so, it does look like maybe we are waiting for Warnock v QPR over compensation to be settled.

TSS 186 pts moderator

The WhiteLizard No idea mate, first I've heard of it.

The WhiteLizard 8 pts

TSS Here's the link:

http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=323&fid=14&sty=2&act=1&mid=2115344943

Reliable?

TSS 186 pts moderator

The WhiteLizard Just forum chatter, hard to say really.

TimPM 52 pts

TSSThe WhiteLizard Its on YEP too

TimPM 52 pts

TSSThe WhiteLizard Para 4:

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds_united_1_brighton_and_hove_albion_2_we_lacked_professionalism_admits_redfearn_1_4237712

EYLEEDS 18 pts

I can't criticise anyone for attending the match yesterday but crowds of 20,000+ mean that Bates can just ignore the protests and keep bleeding the club dry.

We love our club too much not to go to matches but perhaps we need to organise one match when we all stay away to show him what will happen to his cash cow unless he starts investing in the team or at least starts treating the fans with some respect.

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