Andy O’Brien and the Case of Inexplicable Nagging Guilt

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The following is a guest contribution written by TimPM. If you’d like to have an article considered for publication here on The Scratching Shed, please use the online form

I was a fan of Andy O’Brien when he came to Leeds in October 2010. I still remember that time – I was taking a year out from my own career following an (unconfirmed) nervous breakdown. I say unconfirmed – we all know what a nervous breakdown is and there has been an unspoken understanding around the subject from everyone involved with me.

We’d just been absolutely thrashed by Cardiff, 4-0. The fold had started when a long ball over the top had caught Neill Collins out of position, had been allowed to bounce by Bruce, and hadn’t been collected by Kasper Schmeichel. It was a breath of fresh air, then, when Andy O’Brien was plucked from the Premiership. Apparently coming to regain match fitness, O’Brien had an instant impact. In our next match (away at Scunthorpe), Jonny Howson was given the freedom to attack from midfield and showed his class with a fifteen-minute hattrick. But what we often overlooked, was the excellent debut O’Brien had. Coming straight into the defence for Neill Collins, O’Brien was part of a (more or less) carbon-copy from the Cardiff match. A ball came up, Bruce and Schmeichel failed to deal with it between themselves, but this time a cool Andy O’Brien smashed the ball away from the goal.

After that match, I knew that O’Brien was exactly the tonic for a shaky Leeds defence that had struggled at times with our first faltering steps back in the Championship. O’Brien undoubtedly had class and talent – he’d made hundreds of appearances in the Premiership and rarely been caught out there. Leeds’ faltering steps had nevertheless seen us ploughing headlong up the table, showing undeniable class at times, and we ended up second in December.

Spring wasn’t so kind. The team’s position crumbled, and eventually we ended up agonizingly close to the playoffs, but even missing that. A lot of players had struggled. The criticism of a few of them – O’Brien especially in my memory because I rated him – was at times excruciating when I read it back now. In fact, in one way it was hilarious: half of us derided Bradley Johnson as a defensive midfielder, and he’s now almost an international. If ever there was a better example of why not to listen to fans, it’s probably that.

Then came our struggles at the start of this season. Looking back at the articles from the period leading up to O’Brien refusing to play, they’re as bad.

His last match was 6th November against Leicester. On November 11th TheScratchingShed ran an article in response to rumours that one-time Leeds youngster Michael Woods had retired from football: ‘Bitter Leeds Fans Amused by Woods Retirement’. I’m glad I wasn’t one of those, in fact I was sympathetic for the lad who had taken a jump in his career similar to mine – and seen it not pay off, similar to me. Yet looking back at it I wish I hadn’t written half the comments I had, and talking about the kid like we did was horrendous. After all, we didn’t know him yet we’d all put in our two cents.

Then on November 14th rumours surfaced that Monty Gimpel was being tracked by Arsenal.

“I don’t want to see youngsters played just because they may at some point in the future be good – especially when we’ve so much ground to make up for promotion” I commented, “There’s no reason why he shouldn’t be handy enough for a few bench appearances though? Bruce, O’Brien & Bromby haven’t exactly been fantastic, and Lees has done well with little experience?”

The article poster questioned me labelling Lees inexperienced: he had over a hundred appearances at lower level, but nobody picked up on my obvious generalisation – O’Brien had only made two-three appearances for us so far that season. It’s something you wouldn’t think about when you treat footballers as something completely detached from us, yet over the past week I’ve found out that some members of the playing staff at Elland Road have read blogs and forums. I don’t know who, and I’m not suggesting O’Brien ever has, but almost everybody’s been on the receiving end of stick at TSS, WACCOE, or any of the other outlets of fan opinion online.

My first ever published article was written for this blog; it was the news that Andy O’Brien had refused to play for us and wouldn’t be picked again. It was stylishly written, if I do say so myself!, but it dealt massively in rumours.

Despite a fantastic late comeback at Turf Moor on Saturday, the Leeds camp is still far from settled this season.

November began with the dramatic mental implosion of much maligned stopper Paul Rachubka and threatens to end with an acrimonious exit for Republic of Ireland veteran Andy O’Brien.

O’Brien has had a torrid season managing just two league appearances and a poor performance against former club Bradford. The 32 year old, rumoured to be one of Leeds’ top earners, told Simon Grayson before Leicester City that he would not play for the Whites again. It is thought that O’Brien has been frustrated by a lack of football.

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Rumour has it that O’Brien is trying to fix a move to West Ham, while BBC Sport journalist Jacqui Oatley has taken to Twitter to claim that O’Brien had not refused to play for the club, but the manager, whom he regarded as “his worst ever”.

It definitely wouldn’t look out of place in one of the famously a-moral rags. I’d tried to be sensitive on the Rachubka topic – I felt sorry for the lad, and I didn’t want to add to the criticism, but on reflection that didn’t come out at all. I wrote about the rumours that O’Brien was one of Leeds’ top-paid players, the rumours irresponsibly tweeted by Jaqui Oatley that he had a personal falling out with Grayson. Basically, if I had been writing about people I knew, I’d’ve been something rhyming “bit stiring”.

We’re all ill-informed fans at the end of the day- some more ill-informed than others… We’ve no malice, but I think we often forget that these are real people we discuss. There could be 101 reasons for Andy O’Brien’s worries, but you couldn’t rule out any of our lads browsing the blogs and forums and getting problems. I wrote something, ending my blog, yesterday before this came out. I think it’s something that should be repeated here because I think it’s something we all need to think about:

It has come to my attention over the last few days that parts of the playing side of Leeds are reading the blogs and forums. Inadvertently, a place where I can spout my ill-informed opinion has become a place where me and plenty of others are accidentally offending the very lads we’re wanting to support.

So I’ve decided to stop this blog and not to write for TheScratchingShed again. I write this to inform those who have read my blog – because you deserve to know (even though we probably should have thought) that the people you’re writing about might be able to see every word. I wish I’d known sooner. I honestly never thought a footballer with their brilliant jobs and all that would waste their time reading what fans think. As if we’re ever right about much in the first place? But in this day and age, the only place for football talk seems to be in the pub or on the sofa.

For my part I am honestly sorry for any offence or stress I’ve caused anybody at Leeds.

Reading it back after a day, you can tell it’s heart-felt because the style’s less “gosh got to prove myself” me, and more pre-wide-world 18-year-old me.

The article topic? I had always had an unexplained, nagging guilt over Andy O’Brien. Even though it’d disappear quickly. There was something about the situation where I’d maybe subconsciously realised this might be a man struggling and I’m being pretty harsh.

I’m really glad that Andy O’Brien has come out and sought support. It’s something like 10-20% of people in the country who suffer from these problems, as best as can be guessed by doctors. But so many of us don’t come out about problems like this. It takes a real man to seek support, and in my opinion Andy’s done himself absolutely proud.

We never know who’s reading. And we should back Andy O’Brien to the hilt, just like we would with anybody going through a tough time. But more than that, we should use this example to remind us that anybody could be reading what we write. I’ll repeat, I have no reason to believe Andy read this blog or any of the forums, but just looking back at how we treat players who might read, it’s often not good.

Written by TimPM

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Lifelong Leeds fan. First matches were in the O'Leary-era. Grew up watching Peter Reid, the French foreign legion and Roque Junior. Then Michael Ricketts. Consequently, I'm a bit tapped.

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GranulatedAndy 5 pts

David Batty !.. so what if he aint got any coaching or management experience !!

Interesting to read Joe Grayson's Tweets over the last few days. The Grayson family are obviously ardent LUFC through and through - and SG's kid seems completely cut up. Strange if you look back over a few weeks how many of his tweets mirror our own "budget of a lower/middle team with management aspirations of title winners" , "one of best win percentages of any Leeds manager" "Wish leeds had rich owners that let their manager spend money :/ 15 million from sales in 3 years and not even 1 million spent" etc. I am guessing SG has been under immense pressure for months and not many work at their best when fearing for their job. I am guessing if he tweets he probably also forums and I hope he passes on what he reads that the majority of fans know SG loved the club and tried his hardest and is appreciated for the last 3 years. #BatesOut as JoeGraysonn would say.

@WoodyUK When I saw Grayson during the Howson interview I felt really sorry for the bloke, clearly under massive pressure like you say.

And so we ramped up Bates-out, unfortunately don't think it quite had the desired effect eh... fecksake.

The thing with redfearn he is another yes man,would not need a pay rise its scarey but it could happen,dont forget warnock turned bates down a few years back ok not popular with leeds fans but i think we need to move away from ex players they try to please the fans first. We need a george graham type manager,make us hard to beat warnock will do that

@banditsteve123 Seems as if Warnock is keen, referring to it as a 'great job' and Leeds as a 'massive club'.

Warnock with Vinnie Jones as co star

One person no one has talked about is redfearn now that would be the cheap option

It has to be warnock and maybe he could get derry to join as player-coach but please not ince

@banditsteve123 If Ince turns up my Season Ticket will be up on EBAY - No way.

@MikeLeeds @banditsteve123 what about ROY "OF THE ROVERS" KEANE THEN????

@number1inyorkshire @banditsteve123 Now your just trying to upset people!

@MikeLeeds @banditsteve123 i'm a bad man ,he was mentioned yesterday on radio leeds.

Even Bates would not be that stupid ..

the problem there is at leeds at the mo though is ,there is n one else other than redfearn ,he has no backup .unless he has called in some favours

@number1inyorkshire @MikeLeeds @banditsteve123 'Even Bates wouldn't be that stupid'.

I provide as evidence for the Prosecution, Dennis Wise, your Honour

Warnock seems a shoe-in but he wont get us promoted this season, it took him 2 to get QPR up, and by the looks of it Bates and Harvey want that promotion right now. With that in mind it needs to be a quick appointment too, with no compo or wrangling involved so that rules out McCarthy. I think it will be Alan Curbishley, hardly sets the pulse racing but surely preferable to Paul `nine defeats on the bounce at Notts Co' Ince. And a better track record in the English league than Gordon Strachan. I think Dave JOnes and Billy Davies come with baggage and Bates wont go for that. I actually thought to myself that Michael Brown wouldnt be a bad shout as a player coach, his legs may have gone but a good fottie brian and has worked under warnock, redknapp.

@mattbb1 Also it took Colin years to get Sheff Utd up - playing mind numbingly dull football in the process. Curbishley would be third choice for me behind Di Matteo and Freedman. However issue with Curbishley is why he has been out of work so long - I know he had financial/legal issues with West Ham but these were sorted ages ago.

@mattbb1 To be fair matt ,no one will get us up this season ..

its all about next season now ,Bates now knows that if he has any brains (mmm)..

i think bates is fed up, and knows he can only get best price if we get promoted, He'll want an impact manager then, as he thinks we can go up this season. I'm with you, we cant possibly go up. The squad needs reshaping totally and a lot of dross - the only standard of player we have been able to afford - needs to be moved on.

The problem for me (with any manager or management combination) is the underlying problem they will inherit. They will pick up a squad with a defence crippled with injuries, a deflated, dissallusioned and demoralised squad fattened up with low quality players or temporary loanees, only three fit strikers (one of which is mis-firing at the moment and the other you'd have to be a genius to inspire to greatness). OK on the plus side we may believe that a really good manager could get Becchio back as he used to play and bring Connolly, Bruce and O'Brien back into the frame and performing as we all know they are capable of playing but this isn't going to happen overnight and the wage bill will be the same next year as it is this year (I think that only Bruce, White and Parker's contracts are up and I'd love for us to keep White though I don;t think it will happen). Harvey is having a laugh if he thinks I'm going to believe changing the manager gives us a chance at promotion more than retaining SG.

Reports say Ince interested in the post (KB would have to be the moron to even consider this one after Notts County debacle) and Gus Poyet not interested, Leeds a great club and job but not for him at the moment and a bit bemused why SG sacked

Ill take a number of managers but what Id like to see is Eddie Gray back as coach

@MikeLeeds I remember the sense of helplessness when we were going down and all of a sudden Eddie Gray marches in in his dark suit and brings all the players together, gets Vidukes back into the fold. He didn't save us then but he inspired confidence.

@TimPM I base it on what he did under Oleary - you did not realise at the time but when Oleary made the mistake of bringing in KIdd it all went tits up.

Gray is a clever coach and possibly with Stachan doing the arse kicking that could change things.

Reasonably though its Warnock - Bates could offer him a grand a week and Warnock will realise he will never manage a bigger club than Leeds

@MikeLeeds And all this talk of coaches. Lucas Radebe looked like he might be becoming a coach (had spoken to the club?) but Grayson seemed to block it. He's not proven, but he'd be an icon to the youngsters at the Academy and he was a world class defender in his day...

@TimPM Yep definatley an icon - but not sure what hes actually been doing over the last few years (other his ambasserdor roles and obvious family loss) - dont think he has actually been at a club other than getting his badge - I dont think you can risk that against whats required at Leeds

Also my list (well you didn't say make it realistic!)

1. Mourihno

2. Mourihno

3. Mourihno

Well. What better way to show that he's an absolute legend than get a massively underperforming side on a shoestring budget to the Prem and get us into European football? I'd be disappointed if Ken couldn't at least truthfully say he tried, haha!

Realistically:

1. Warnock

2. Strachan (McAllister as assistant would be an added sweetner)

3. Di Matteo

4. DOL (it'd be interesting, and give him a chance to make amends)

5. Ian Dowie

I always talk about Dowie, reckon he's underrated. Glad to see he's still on the odds for decent jobs. Also throw in there Holloway, and Hart. Though both at a club so I doubt they'd come.

And I like Mick McCarthy, though he's at a job and I'm not sure about him for our job at the moment.

@TimPM he is at a job but there was a keane style protest in the ground the other day with banners etc ..he nearly came to us before and bates signed him or nearly signed him for chelski as a player

@TimPM I think even Jose would see Leeds and Bates as too much of a challenge !

Dowie ? Dear God what have you been smoking. How about Dougie Freedman if we could prise him from Palace ? Done a great job with less than no money.

@Tyler75 Yep, that's the usual response to my secret love of Dowie (as a manager- obviously!)

@TimPM @Tyler75 Dowie is an educated Dean Windass have you seen him on sky sports PLEASE GOD TIM he always brings his ugly sister brother with him too ,,

@number1inyorkshire @Tyler75 OKAY OKAY!

Now Bates'll get him just to spite us, you know...!

@TimPM please not dowie .who is a rocket scientist you know (bit of trivia ehh)

CMON TSS WHERE ARE YOU ..LETS BE HAVING YOU ,WHERE ARE YOU ?????

WHERE ARE YOU ????

Curbishley

Warnock

McCarthey

grayson cost money (compo) from Blackpool

we need someone who has not played for leeds ,who will stand up to the chairman ,who is nasty and the players will be frightened of but will respect and can do better than we have had recently ,but as the wife has a job she will not be standing .

If he will resign the day he gets us up WARNOCK i have backed his teams to get promoted at the begining of every season and done ok out of it ,until they get to prem

POYET

DIMATTEO

MICK MAC CARTHY

NIGEL ADKINS though he is a leeds fan as is mac carthy

realistically it has to be someone with the experience of both leagues and it has to be someone who can start again next season although we are in wwith a chance i think our time is over this season

@number1inyorkshire Poyet is deified at Brighton and he is building a club in his own image in a brand new stadium; more importantly he has a (very small) Chairman who backs him to the hilt - he would have to be insane to give that up to come and work with Bates. Personally I would like to see Di Matteo given a go but we are Leeds so its bound to be Colin.

1 Curbishley

2 Strachen & McAlister (The duo)

3 Poyet

@Chareose On reflection, Strachen and McAlister is an unexpectedly good call. Neither is quite the full force, but together I could really see that working (again!).

Sort of 0.5 + 0.5 = 1.5

@Dje @Chareose Gary Mac's been disastrously unlucky with jobs recently, but would he want to come back to Leeds even with Strachan? After all, pundits seemed to think he wasn't backed by the Board.

I tweeted earlier after someone said about getting a Leeds fan not a mercenary that it's a mercenary's world in professional football. Better not to get emotions involved unless they have the credentials. Definitely, Strachan and McAllister as a double act would have the credentials though?

@TimPM @Dje @Chareose To be fair to strachan who was a fantastic player for us ,his management outside of scotland where my granny would have won that league with celtic ,is nothing short of crap ,bates will not re-employ mcallister so thats a dead duck i feel .

put your money on Warnock or Di matteo

@number1inyorkshire Reckon you're right number1.

@Dje@Chareose Disagree strongly. I really think we need a manager that knows the Championship inside out, knows how to get the best out of a poor squad, lift spirits, gets us playing tight controlled football, pick up gems from both the reserves in the Prem and 1st teams in the lower leagues. Strachan and McAllister as players=GODS, Strachan and McAllister as manager = not for me.

1 Adkins
2 Lambert
3 Radebe anyone?

1 -Warnock

2 - Curbishley

3 - Poyet

Right. I've read enough genuflecting about our near beloved past. Folk usually relish list-making as eye candy, so anyone willing to put forward their shortlist of three most preferred managers?

[And before you ask, there's no rules (as Bates has probably already rigged the vote)]

Grayson will be back in work within the next 3 months, and taking a team into the premiership. Bates' programme notes last night show just how out of touch he is `we're building a club, not a team...' well we're all right behind you ken (not) we already have a club, we need a team building...

I am surprised Ken Bates considers 5642 (44%) season ticket renewals as terrific - Im one of the Morons thats renewed his ticket - I would have thought that if the other 66% were going to renew their tickets they would already have done so (considering at least £80 can be saved) as there is a number of payment options to spread the cost. Personally I would call call it worrying and could quite easily provide an indication of average attendances dropping to 18,000 or so if things dont improve on and off the field.

As soon as I heard Simon mention finance my mind cast back to Blackwell - its the only thing Bates has been straight about when he employs his managers "dont talk finance" - new it would cost him (but the result and second half performance made sure he went)

Sure he will get another good job - I think hes done well just not enough left to get us where we need to be.

Its got to be Warnock I suppose - but it would be interesting to see how Poyet would do.

MOT - we can still do it

@MikeLeeds Fans have been posting on forums for weeks they wished SG would spill the beans about finance constraints. I agree with you that I think frustration may have caused SG to blurt out a small amount of his frustration and I also agree that it was probably the final nail in SGs coffin. Bates' comment that he vetoed a request for £600k for a central defender ties in with SG's dig about inexperienced defence and finance issues. Word on the grapevine is that it was Higginbottom (totally unsure of this though) but if this was the case it would have been an experienced capable defender that could have stabilised our porous back line. KB points out we have 6 centre backs but ignores the fact 3 are injured (OK depression is a strange injury, but debilitating) and two are very young and inexperienced leaving only Bruce as an experienced defender (who I think Grayson should have used more this month by the way)