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Hesco Bastion, protecting the troops. No, we’re not being paid to advertise. But it’s a message that inundates fans: it’s painted on the stands, it’s repeated over loudspeakers and radios.

It’s one of the least controversial statements you could make as a company linked to the military. What do we think about Iraq? Libya? Should we go to Somalia? Or bolster the Falklands? (shush-we’ll-antagonise-Luci). What about Blair, Brown, Cameron and Clegg? Whatever we think about them and their policies, red, blue, yellow (even green!) we all support the troops.

And what about Leeds? Most of us are rightly angered at Ken Bates and his Board. Think back to this time last year and we were so close to automatic promotion we could almost taste it. Since then we’ve gone on to lose five first team players, and not one of them left solely because Grayson thought that they could be improved upon. Not one. Whatever we think of their replacements, it’s not a healthy sign for the future.  Lorimer can talk about over-spending, but we can afford to keep our players without pushing ourselves into debt. Instead, our Glorious Leaders have decided not to spend significantly on them. £9.5million budgeted for the whole playing side; £7million for a redevelopment project alone. Can’t we afford better contracts Peter? Are you sure?

‘Who wants promotion?’ Ken probably asked, probably chomping on a cigar: ‘I`d prefer a hotel in Beeston.’

We’re right to “bawl and shout” about it. We had a miserable December with only 2 points from 12. That’s been enough to get managers and players sacked from less ambitious clubs than Leeds. But I think the fans would prefer to sack the Board.

From this time last season, we watched our promotion push crumble; the only entertainment provided by Ross McCormack and Billy Paynter fighting for the role of “Championship Torres of the Year”. Yet we got behind them, we applauded their efforts and we sang them on. It’s worked wonders for Ross, at least, who has come out this season and showed why he was in Actim Index’s top 10 when on form at Cardiff: because he’s bloody brilliant.

We’ve backed the players at matches as best we can, but we’ve been worn down by sky-high ticket prices and an ever-present reminder (the East Stand) of the decision not to keep our most valuable assets: the players. And that’s not a slur on our current players. We’re scared that the ones we have now will be leaving too: that’s half the problem. Clayton and White slot in well, and suddenly it’s a race against time to get them on decent length contracts. If our new players end up being that good I’ll just have to see them ripped away from me.

But spare a thought for the players. Robbie Rogers has uprooted himself from the other side of the world, and what he’ll witness is his teammates out there in no-man’s land trying to do their jobs amongst the apathetic cynicism of the fans, broken only by anger and insults flying from one end to the other. Bates (when he’s here) sits magnificently in his place, with Peter Lorimer sat near him. Bates conducts the protests of the masses, Lorimer frowns furiously at the plebs:

‘don’t they know we’re trying to build a lasting legacy here?’ he probably mutters, probably reading the latest quote for another development project.

The fans continue to “shout and bawl” and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a pasty white “Breadman the Impenetrable” in the Kop.

The players must be absolutely bemused. I wouldn’t blame Snoddy for slowing from his mazey run, looking up at the baying crowd chanting at a man who isn’t even there, making a despairing chuckle and giving up, watching Zaha Hadid and the Lotus Revolution race each other to Leeds.

These lads are footballers. I doubt many of them came to Leeds expecting a club that apparently can’t afford to keep its players, and a support that’s so fed up it can barely bring itself to cheer them on – even if it tries. When times get tough it’s that legendary twelfth man that makes all the difference. Players do their jobs, but it’s the vocal belief of thousands that has the ability to inspire them. Unlike Ferguson’s lot, our twelfth man doesn’t hold a whistle. Our twelfth man has always been our support and it hasn’t been fit and healthy this season. Who can blame us? But we’ve a good side, despite Bates.

We can be hypercritical as fans but let’s admit it, our season in December 2010 included Schmeichel, Naylor, Bessone, McCartney, and as I said: Billy Paynter & an underperforming Ross McCormack. Our team is better now than it was last season. We’re obviously missing Max, and we’re missing Jonny Howson & Bradley Johnson. But let’s think back to the dull days of League One; more precisely let’s think back to January 3rd 2010. There was no Max Gradel, no Aidy White, it’s unthinkable now but Robert Snodgrass was actually only a late sub. Our back line included Jason Crowe and Richard Naylor; our midfield included Michael Doyle and Andy Hughes. This team was good enough to beat a Manchester United side that included Berbatov, Rooney, Valencia and Giggs.

As the Guardian concluded:

There were long spells when they out-passed their opponents. The victory was no fluke and that, perhaps, was the most shocking aspect.

Don’t forget Ken Bates and his little lackeys, but also remember Simon Grayson who finally got us out of League One, masterminded a victory against Scum, nearly got one over on Liverpool, and forced Spurs and Arsenal to two replays. Apart from one match against Scum this season, we’ve never been embarrassed by a Premiership team when Grayson has been at the helm. If we can come up big on those big occasions, why can’t we win the playoffs? Let’s have faith, and blast the cobwebs off the rafters on Tuesday. We need to do our part – anti-Bates chants before the match, at half-time and after the match, but let’s scare Brum’s kecks off during the match.

Bates can’t sell one thing of ours: we are the club– our support traces itself back through our fathers and grandfathers to the glory days of Don Revie, Billy Bremner and Norman Hunter and it’s our kids that will be cheering the club on long after Bates has relinquished his power.

So fuck the Board and their property developments.

We are Leeds, and we’ll see our lads win!

Written by TimPM

  • Dje

    Sorry, but our team is not better now than it was last season. Who has replaced Gradel? Who has replaced Howson? Becchio is considerably the lesser player than he was last season. Our early hopes of McCormack and Clayton seem to have faded – although to be fair to the lad Clayton, he clearly needs a rest and some support. Lees and White have come on, but we leek as many goals as we did last season, only score considerably less. As Eddie Grey is saying, we are a one man promotion dream called Snodgrass. That is deeply, deeply worrying.

    The only improvement on last season is the division is more open. Amazingly we are only one win anyway from the playoffs, three or so from automatic promotion. The downside of this is that it is the result of other teams failings and not of our own making. Can we really be so lucky that other teams implode more than we do for the remaining twenty or so games? I’d prefer if we started to take matters into our own hands.

    • TSS

      @Dje We’re missing Somma too. He was solid last season.

      Howson and Gradel were two of the players this team was built around. Agree that we’re weaker without them.

      • Dje

        @TSS True, I forgot about Somma. To be honest every team has long-term injury problems, and our long term injury list this season – Kisnorbo aside (who wasn’t the player we knew) is only Somma; so we haven’t been too unlucky there. [I class(ed) Howson’s injury as mid-term as he still was offering a considerable input to the course of our season].

        I had hopes for Nunez too but they have vanished now. We shouldn’t be in the position on holding out for hopes.

        • TSS

          @Dje Sounds like we’ve just got Marc Wilson (Celtic RB) in on loan. That should fix all the problems we’ve had.

        • Paul S Wales

          @TSS @Dje Is there any news on a centre half and midfielder coming our way too?

        • TSS

          @Paul S Wales@Dje Brick-by-brick, loan-by-loan. Patience.

        • Dje

          @TSS I actually follow the SPL quite a bit and seen a handful of matches up in Scotland over the last year or two, and have to say I’ve never even noticed Mark Wilson before. Nothing wrong with that, could just be my loss.

          That said, if he comes in, what utter nonsense it makes of Grayson’s comments about two hours ago about not wanting to bring in Alan Smith because he’s not played much football this season. Wilson has not played a single match in the last three months. I think Lichaj would be even more match-fit than he. Jesus.

        • Dje

          @Paul S Wales @TSS Mark Wilson can play left, right or centre back. A man for all seasons, but let’s hope it’s a lucky promotion season then!

        • henrymouni

          @TSS @Dje

          He has had a lot of injuries.

          Not sure if he is fully match fit?

  • Northern Octopus

    I think we should back a “win when we’re singing” campaign. This basically involves singing positively throughout the match, showing the players that we back them to the hilt, thick and thin ups and downs. but continue to protest against the ownership outside the ground, by writing letters and holding protests against the leadership. if Bates is right and we are putting potential buyers off, lets continue to show them what we offer by giving unequivocal support for the lads inside the ground and make it clear that our anger lies at the door of the beeston hotel.

    • TSS

      @Northern Octopus “Sing when we’re winning… we all sing when we’re winning…” We’ve actually sang that before.

    • TSS

      @Northern Octopus “Sing when we’re winning… we only sing when we’re winning…” We’ve actually sang that before

      It’s not so much the cnants as the general atmosphere. The sighing and booing has disgusted me this season. Elland Road has been a horrible place to visit. .

      • TimPM

        @TSS @Northern Octopus It’s all about putting the positive effort in. Ramp up the negatives outside the match, but ramp up the positives inside.

        After all, we pay for the tickets and then feel miserable. So why bother coming? We’re by the playoffs even with all this misery!

  • mattbb1

    theres the rub… agree, the players anre not to blame for our predicament, nor is simon grayson entirely, and they should be supported but in doing so you line bates’ pockets – and he relies on it. The answer ins to find a high net worth individual to repace bates as quickly as possible.

  • H

    After hours of internal debating I have just been and re-newed along with a steady stream of 40 to 50 others, it looked like a proccesion of people going to the gallows not people full of optimism for the future. I remember queing for tickets a hundred times and always there was friendly chat and banter in the queue……not today.
    TimPM may not be right in all he says, but its true ER has not been a pleasent place to visit this season and only WE can change it MOT.

  • TimPM

    I knew I might open up a debate on the squad again with what I said (which I think will probably naturally come in a couple of days so not important now).

    On the playing squad I’d saw Max was a obviously like a second Snodgrass and we clearly miss him. Howson, Johnson and Kilkenny made a good partnership in the middle but then McCormack has gone up front with one role, Clayton’s as good as Kilkenny IMO, and Howson can’t be replaced by a few months of Delph but while he’s here, that’s not a noticeable drop in quality (if at all).

    Then our centre-backs. We had Richard Naylor struggling (I think part through injury) last season and Bruce struggled a little bit, and even O’Brien who was fantastic in the Autumn started to struggle a bit in Spring. We’ve replaced that with a reasonably solid Leeds & O’Dea – you’re always going to get some mistakes. Then on the left we’ve Pugh or White instead of relying on McCartney who sounded like he didn’t apply himself and I was never that impressed with. Lonergan is better than Schmeichel IMO (when he’s not making so many mistakes). Only place I’m not convinced is Connolly compared to Lichaj.

    So that’s where I’m coming from. Definitely we shouldn’t’ve let lads like Gradel go, but overall the team is an improvement – and it’s a team game.

    • TimPM

      Not saying Lees & O’Dea are mistakes, lol

      They make the odd mistake (like the “concussion” thing etc.) but so does everyone.

  • Leeds Mick

    Don’t worry another crock is joining us from celtic, at least he’ll keep our ‘star’ striker somma company in the treatment room. He hasn’t played since October and you’re suggesting we get behind the team? How worse can things get? Lets see how much getting behind the team helps on Tuesday when Birmingham do us?

    • TimPM

      @Leeds Mick So long as we all actually do get behind the team. If you (not you personally lol) cheer for five minutes then go back to normal then it’s obviously not going to help.

  • henrymouni

    The problem is that, on paper you have made some good points, but if the team is not playing as well as last year we are getting nowhere.

    If we finish below 7th then we are going backwards.

    The league may also be stronger this season?

    Whatever the reasons, our target is/was promotion, and I cannot see it happening with this team, just now.

    To quote myself, ‘we lack motivation, concentration and application’.

    The next 34 hours is crucial!

    • TimPM

      @henrymouni Precisely! We lack motivation, concentration and application.

      That’s nothing about skill there-

      Thousands of fans singing for our lads WILL inspire them.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWhE1grUpxk&feature=related

      Thats the kind of atmosphere that got us promoted. Face those same players in the same position with how we’re feeling nowadays and they’d’ve folded.

      You can’t blame us, but we’ve got to still believe in the lads otherwise there’s no point.

      • henrymouni

        @TimPM

        I’m with you there Tim!!

        With all that has gone on it will be difficult to turn this around and the team must lead the way!

        It is impossible to cheer a team that is playing badly!

  • alco

    Ah,yes but where is the next generation of supporters coming from when he`s pricing out families ????

    • TimPM

      @alco Couldn’t agree more mate.

  • derbyshire white

    Had it not been for Jason Crowe we would not have won at OT on 3 Jan 2010. Probably his career defining moment. Respect.

  • KevinScorah

    Sorry this is a little off tack fronm the article above, but is there an impartial account of our financial demise anywhere online? It seems to me many contributors to this (and other) forums post withouta proper understanding or knowledge of the facts. Did Bates save our club or was it the greatest swindle since Malcolm McLaren? I for one would love to refresh my memory of what has happened since the Ridsdale era if only to reaffirm the reasons I am a Bates Out supporter. Yes, there are many unanswered questions, many deceptions and sleights of hand that may be inferred rather than proved, but still, these should be catalogued so we can all make sure we know what we are fighting and why.

    • mattbb1

      @KevinScorah when you say financial demise are you referring to the period 2000-2004 or the period where ken bates took us into administration – sure i’ve seen you post before on this topic? my advice on both (if you are interested) would be to review the articles from the YEP, which are unbiaed, but moreover to obtain copies of the KPMG administration (which shuld be publicly available) which are legally binding explanations ast o the overspend at Leds United, largely down to an unpaid tax bill. That will be unbiased.

  • Dje

    Eddie Gray: “I just hope we can get [in] a couple of players who can change the whole aspect and outlook of the side and the way we play the game.”

    How profoundly desperate does that sound?!

    http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/leeds_united_time_to_see_fresh_faces_gray_1_4195217

  • TimPM

    We’ve lost half of our first team. They’ve got to establish a new pattern as they’re not playing 4-5-1. I reckon it’s just one of those inevitable things.

    Next season Grayson will have to think long and hard about a pattern that fits the current players as its clear you can’t always offload ones you think you might be able to do better than.

    It’s pretty sad having to talk about next year though. Who knows, maybe it’ll be in the Premiership!

  • TimPM

    Agree. But what would the fans think if we got in a player from League One or lower? We’re pissed off by the sounds of it about this right-back (did he sign on loan in the end?)

  • number1inyorkshire

    I understand your almost CHURCHILLIAN rouse to get people to support the troops and linking them with the real life ones could work …..

    HOWEVER the reason there is no atmosphere at E R is because there is nothing there to create a good atmosphere ,the lack of everything at E R is the cause ,but the real reason is , and blame who you want the football is shite ..

    thats what creates the atmosphere not anything else, for 90 mins we should be able to forget the politics of it all by watching the team play good quality footy .

    For god sake even the half time try to win a few quid game for the fans is shite

    • TimPM

      @number1inyorkshire

      “Empty vessels make most sound” is what my dad always said!

      I feel crap when I watch Leeds these days. I’m almost glad that with having to be elsewhere & not being loaded I don’t have as many opportunities anymore.

      But we’re a legendary club to anybody who remembers to 60s-70s. That’s in no small part because of the fantastic support that the city of Leeds always gave the club.

      We even have thousands who support us in Scandinavia now.

      We’re the ones that can make a difference. Grayson’s had his go on his tiny budget and will line out the lads he’s managed to find. The Board have fecked up with building their redev.

      Now we’ve got to step in. It comes down to how much do we want it? Do we want it enough to sing even when we play shit? Because eleven of our lads looks just as good as about 20 other clubs in this division…

      • number1inyorkshire

        @TimPM we have to step in, no we do not it is not our responsibility to muster the troops its a two way thing there has to be something to shout about .there is plenty to get them going at the begining of each game .it goes flat soon after because of the lack of anything to shout about .this has been a steady decline over 18-20 months .

        There are plenty coming up with great ideas this been 1 of 20, i have said i do not know the answers i have not given an indication of how to on anything i have written .

        i go to every home game and will tomorrow it will be cold etc etc .

        you say that you cant go to as many games as you can for various reasons others are the same and who am i to judge that ..football should come last on many a list ..

        But as they say you can’t polish a turd

        i also find it kind of hard to take criticism about rallying the troops and almost blame for not shouting on the team from people who do not go to the games for any reason .that applies to many ..

        • TimPM

          @number1inyorkshire Heh. I’m not blaming anyone. I’ve written plenty of times I don’t see why we should be lectured by YEP on it – esp. since YEP is a very Board-friendly Paper.

          But we can make a decision: 1) give up. 2) cheer when there’s nothing to cheer.

          First won’t gain us anything. Second might.

        • number1inyorkshire

          @TimPM sadly you can not cheer when there is nothing to cheer ..

          Football is a very interactive between fans and the team .they bounce of each other.

          But ultimately it is down to the team .

          Every team will tell you how good the fans are they are the 12th man ,at leeds its marching on together .we have heard the cry from Bates ,grayson the team .then they get inside and we are the morons and worse .

          said this before 1 of my close pals is a ex player /manager i have heard what he has had to say in the past about fans etc .Football is very very insular at all levels its time at all levels they took some responsibility not the chairman etc but the players

        • Chareose

          @number1inyorkshire

          your all right in your own way, the club needs an injection of hope to lift everyone and i cant see that really happening now with Bates involved. Its psychological…..to most fans everything Bates does now is fake or a con and so even if he suddenly started spending money I suspect it would have only a limited effect on morale.

          Maybe the best thing to do is to meet in the middle of all the arguments, support the team full on until the end of the season, try to ignore Bates. Then in the summer dont renew season tickets unless something changes dramaticly……thats all i can suggest

  • Tyler75

    Good article Tim. I take the point that the team has a responsibility to inspire but I remember not so long ago when we were sliding to relegation from the championship, playing horribly most weeks and with impending administration hanging over our heads, we still got behind the team week in, week out and the atmosphere was nowhere near as poisonous as it is now. In fact we only have to look back to Blackpool this season, when 5-0 down the crowd didn’t stop singing, prompting Holloway to say he’d never seen support like it. Has Bates finally won and turned some of the most fanatically passionate supporters in world football into docile consumers ?

    • Dje

      @Tyler75 That’s gallows humour though – laughing at the horror when we are amongst it. We thought we had finally shut that chapter when we got out of League One (although, for me, the chapter heading is really ‘Scum 0 – 1 Leeds United’). IMHO the frustration is so volatile because we are self-imploding in the management of the club, and we are impotent to stop it. Instead we are forced to watch what is a car crash in slow motion. At each turn the pissed-up driver, Ken Bates is telling us that “it’ll be alreet, ’tis all part of a masterplan you are too moronic to see”, as kiddie’s seat from the back seat hurtles through the windscreen, the engine rupturing through the dashboard.

    • Dje

      @Tyler75 That’s just gallows humour though – laughing at the horror when we are amongst it.

      We thought we had finally shut that chapter when we got out of League One (although, for me, the chapter heading is really ‘Scum 0 – 1 Leeds United’).

      IMHO the frustration now is so volatile because we are self-imploding in the management of the club, and we are impotent to stop it. Instead we are forced to watch what is a car crash in slow motion. At each turn the pissed-up driver, Ken Bates, is telling us that “it’ll be alreet, ’tis all part of a masterplan you are just too moronic to appreciate”, as the kiddie’s chair from the backseat hurtles through the windscreen, the engine ruptures through the dashboard.

    • number1inyorkshire

      @Tyler75 thats laughing in the face of adversity ,its what the Brits do !!

  • Dje

    ‘Wage demands too high’, I bet.

    • Tyler75

      @Dje Probably had the temerity to ask for some wages

      • Dje

        @colin I’m withholding judgement, through gritted seething teeth, until midnight tomorrow, Colin. But as you say, so f***ing predictable.

      • mattbb1

        @Tyler75 @Dje fully expect to see paynter, bruce, rachibka, all out the door today, in rachibkas case a cancelled contract. But i tend to agree, i dont expect to see much else happen, Wilson from Celtic looks like its going ahead, but its usually one out the door we didnt want to see go at Leeds nowadatys on transfer deadline day.

    • CraigSweaton

      @Dje I heard his demands were excessive….he wanted £200 pw and a bag of mojo’s, the greedy get! ;)

  • SnobsLUFC

    number1inyorkshire ………….. I have just logged on and am probably a bit late but need to say it ……….

    I have been reading this site for a long time without actually commenting but our current “predicament” has me taking to the keyboard ……….. Im sorry mate but your wrong ………. YOU CAN “cheer when there is nothing to cheer” …….. I will be there tomorrow with my 9 year old twin boys …….. you would think i would be ‘showing them the way’ to support your team but its absolutely the other way round ……… no matter what the score no matter how poorly we play no matter who the “Fox in the coperate box” sells out from under us my 2 lads shout scream and carry on to cheer on their team ………. from minute 1 ’til we scrape a lucky equaliser in the 97th minute they sing, cheer and hope against hope ………… and do you know what – this synical old, down trodden, hard done to Leeds fan will be shouting along with them ………. Why ???? Cos thats what we do ……….. We support our team ………… Thick and thin ……… sickness and in health …… I know we are poorly – i know we are thin (Bleedin’ anorexic mate) but this is our team …… Your’s, TimPM’s, mine and definitely my boys …….. Its a cracking article and i really hope that it hits home ……… Why do you think teams dont like to come to ER …….. The Decor ?? …….. The Motorway links ?? The parking ?? ……. NO !!!!!!! …….. Its US …….. youre common or garden Leeds fan who has spent the last 7 years cheering when there is nothing to cheer – believing when there is little to believe in ……… Being the best fans in the country ………… WE ALL LOVE LEEDS – WE ALL LOVE LEEDS – WE ALL LEEDS ……… Go on number1 give it a try – you know the words – you might get to like it !!!!!!!

    • number1inyorkshire

      @SnobsLUFC been there done it so many times my sons are 23 ,19.16.13.11 .been there rallied the troops relegation ,relegation administration for more years than is imaginable ,and i am not saying that shouldn’t be actually happening get on if thats what you do cool ,good on you .

      What i am saying is you and your sons are doing your bit, but it has to be reversed.

      Football is fickle, footballers are fickle i know enough of them through the job i do to know that its a job nothing else, they do not care and its time they did its time for them to take some responsibility .football fans are fickle too..

      we can get up ,they are good enough ,its not bates that makes them play like they do ,i will bet grayson doesn’t say if you get a chance kick into row z or lump the ball forward to our 5ft striker so there 6ft4 defender can mark him out of the game .

      its the players crossing that line who need to man up ,i pay my ticket price to be entertained by the 11, not to shout bates out at the bremenr statue ..

      grayson this week has been moaning about atmosphere ,well when he sees your littleuns he should tell his players what it means and get them to sort it ..

      there is no atmosphere because of how the team is playing ,what else would it be ????

      • SnobsLUFC

        @number1inyorkshire Like i said – been reading this site for a long time and agree with so many of your comments and again i make you right on some of what you say Football and footballers are fickle but when it really comes down to it football fans arent …….. not about the important things ……… You are probably right that the way we are playing drives the atmosphere as well ………. Just cant help wandering which needs to come first – the chicken or the egg ??? Do we have to wait for the players to inspire us or can we inspire them ??? Should we have to take on all that responsibility and be the ones that demonstrate we care – doing the things that you rightly point out they sometimes dont seem to ?? No probably not …….. but given how much more important it seems to be to us that we are successful than it is to some of them maybe we just have to ??

        Finally i make you right that Grayson should tell his players that when they walk out on to that pitch they need to take a minute and look around them – look into the eyes of the hundreds of kids that will be there tomorrow night – up way past their bed time supporting their team …….. see the hope – see the belief – see the commitment to the cause and remind themselves of what it felt like when football was their passion and not just their job ……..

        But then i still come back to ……….

        Maybe we can help them get us up ?? Maybe we can help them be good enough ?? Then again …………. Maybe I’m kidding myself ??

        • henrymouni

          @SnobsLUFC @number1inyorkshire

          It has to be the players that lift the crowd over 90 minutes!

          The crowd starts off cheering, but the team has to respond.

          If you are watching a poor film, or listening to a poor CD, you cannot pretend it is good.

          Indeed, if you have paid £30 to watch or listen, it is impossible!!

          Cheering is an emotion brought about by a worthy performance.

          100% commitment, from the players, is the beginning…..

        • number1inyorkshire

          @SnobsLUFC it is a 2 way thing cheers enjoy the cold tonight as we beat brum MOT

        • AdamLUFC95

          @SnobsLUFC

          Is….there….any….need…for….you…to…keep….using fullstops?? One would think a ‘snob’ would be able to contruct a proper response without the exageration of ………………………………………………

        • SnobsLUFC

          @AdamLUFC95

          very good point ,,,,,,,,,,,, sorry !!!! Do you prefer the commas ????

        • SnobsLUFC

          @number1inyorkshireDidnt enjoy the cold night. Didnt beat Brum. Still MOT though

        • number1inyorkshire

          @SnobsLUFC well i looked for you and your boys couldnt hear or see twins shouting .

          it was cold with not a lot to shout about pal if your boys can go after that they will be fans forever . for the 1st time in 17 years i left early i never leave early even the Blackpool game i stayed

          MOT

        • SnobsLUFC

          @number1inyorkshire

          we was in the Kop. the boys arent identical apart from the look of dismay !!!! which probably meant they blended in with the rest of the crowd

        • number1inyorkshire

          @SnobsLUFC i had many a good season in the kop i watched from N E corner they will keep going I am sure .

  • LAwhite

    Attention dumb$#%^s, those property improvements and other non-football investments are what will sustain your club financially over the long haul. They might even attract broader investment or a buyer for your godforsaken club sooner rather than later. But such wisdom is lost upon you. Get it through your thick, bald heads – You are not great. Even if you sell 40,000 tickets a week – BFD – it will not be enough to make you any better than a pretender in the Prem, if you get there at all. If you want somebody with deep pockets to invest in your club, it will take more than mere players on a field. Improve your ground. Improve the surrounding business district. Make Elland Road a 365 day/year revenue generator. Give a Russian oligarch a real reason to invest in your city and your club. Your ‘Bates Out’ business plan (if you can call it that) is no better than what sunk your club 2 divisions in the first place. It’s comical that you offer so much unsolicited business advice when it’s clear that your only experience with investing revolves around buying another round of lager. You might even be shocked to discover your players playing better at home if they witnessed your support rather than your self-pleasuring obsession with giving your week’s earnings to Bates in exchange for the privilege of personally cursing him for 2 hours on a Saturday.

    • mattbb1

      and i suppose its a sound business plan to under-invest in the core business, that being the football squad themselves? whereupon promotion would net you £25Mpa additional turnover, and the ability to properly leverage your assets, whilst investing in the infrastructure first – which isnt a best fit model for 2nd tier football, serves to actually damage your cash and turnover streams whilst people dont use them – furtherinhibiting your inability to invest in the core business? Just Wow! wake up mate, i had some great coffee on Abbot Kinney Bvd in Venice, last year to clear away the jetlag – suggest you have some – have a nice day. We all support the team, but the business model bates is using isnt just cracked its in meltdown.

    • number1inyorkshire

      @LAwhite good points L A some of it any way .your just hiding the fact that oligarchs can only buy something that is for sale LUFC aint so thats that.

      THE business name is L U FOOTBALL C without the team noone will turn up it is invariably the fact the 2 go hand in hand .football is the very reason for the rest being there. Investment in your core business or lack of it in some cases is detrimental to the health of the business ,20k +people are not gonna turn up every week to sit and watch nothing ..

      sorry i know mattbb got in just before me with almost the same post had to take my lad to school mid writing

      just whilst Iam here getting a little bored of the Bates style fake rantings now its been done we need to move on

      • mattbb1

        @number1inyorkshire @LAwhite get the feeling Bates and hid cronies are trying counterinsurgency – to me thats brilliant – it means they re worried.

        • number1inyorkshire

          @mattbb1 @LAwhite .

          i have thought about that before Matt do you think and its not a loaded question that someone in the media department will scan the sites ???

          TSS and other sites, just that i am sure they would and use insurgents to undermine and make comments .

          Some will have to watch as they are using leeds logos on their sites etc he will shut them down lol

        • mattbb1

          @number1inyorkshire @mattbb1 @LAwhite i think they do review the web, of course they do you have to in business. and will bates slam as libellous comments made about him, yes of course he will, so thats why its important to deal in facts where we are able to.

        • TimPM

          @mattbb1 @number1inyorkshire @LAwhite Quite right all you lot.

          LAWhite I think, apart from your corrosiveness aside, you are missing the key point. This is a football club (football business – call it what you will). The rules of setting up a media store or a bookshop or a clothes store don’t all apply to a football club and some rules that apply to the football club don’t apply to the other stores.

          The key one is that when you undoubtedly have the foundations (and everything bar a roof in our case) of a team that WILL get you promoted to a league where you should be AT LEAST £10mil better of per annum, you should not fritter them away for peanuts over having to pay possibly an extra £million per annum on tying them down here.

          The point becomes especially cogent when you consider the fact that we would receive scandalous amounts of money in “parachute” payments which would artifically prop up our wage bill for 4 years anyway.

          It’s a “no brainer” as Bates said about Howson’s sale.

          Yet the Board decided to spend £7million on making some peripheral facilities nicer for the matchday and making some boxes slightly nicer.

          Premiership opposition 38 times a year would significantly increase the immediate-term interest of corporate sponsors and investors.

          Plush boxes will nudge them a bit in the medium-term at the soonest.

    • henrymouni

      @LAwhite

      Is that you Vinny?

      Keep up the CPR!!

    • CraigSweaton

      @LAwhite What self-serving twaddle!

      I’ve had successful businesses for the past 12 years and know about finance, commerce and property and business valuation.

      Having a squad capable of attracting a capacity crowd is the initial premise to any football clubs business model. If he builds an hotel with even a hundred rooms and manages to fill them EVERY night, it cannot compete financially with an extra 20k fans paying an average of £30 per week for a ticket. Not forgetting the amount taken from the catering that many visitors to E.R. will buy, along with merchandising and advertising revenue.

      This is the basis of a successful club/business and will only be realised if the fans are happy that their weekly entertainment is good value for money. As it stands it is considered poor value and falling attendances are and will continue to show this.

      We as fans don’t care about mega-money signings but we DO care about permanent signings with a better quality of player than the ones we sell or release. We currently have lost 9 of the first team players that won us promotion from league 1, and had they been replaced with a higher calibre of player we would never have complained.

      That is why football is the same as any other business and needs to be treated so…. if you give your customers poor value THEY WILL LEAVE and take their money with them.

  • number1inyorkshire

    Are you graysons agent TimPM 1st story on leeds website grayson asking us to get behind the team tonight ,,well i will be there so i am and will but to keep it going my response is giving us something to shout about ……

    • TimPM

      @number1inyorkshire I am not, nor have ever been, Grayson’s agent. Though I bet he’s well paid…

      You need only look through the TSS archives to see me speculating about Grayson’s future replacement and what to do if he misses the playoffs in the summer. Then on December I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and back him.

      And I made the right choice because it turns out he’s been given half a milky way and a pog (remember those?) to spend on the squad.

  • banditsteve123

    Looks like deal for wilson fallen through if we cant get a third rate player god help us.For me today we will here the same spin we were close on this player then another all will fail the we will be told we are waiting for the loan market all we get is lies then more lies i wish grayson would just tell the truth that we wont sign anyone then we be disapointed

  • number1inyorkshire

    keogh has gone to millwall on a 2 year deal ,looks klike we are getting another 20 year old loanee from spurs we must be the fucking laughing stock of football ,is it me or are leeds united starting to take the piss

    • number1inyorkshire

      looks like the lad smith will be a permanent next season though ,bet it depends on hich division we are in .????

    • number1inyorkshire

      looks like the lad smith will move to us permanently in summer .bet it depends which division we are in though ???

  • banditsteve123

    Dont think leeds are taking the piss rumer has it the cant afford him

  • banditsteve123

    YESSSS FIRST SIGNING SMITH FROM SPURS IM SOOOO HAPPY I COULD SELF CUMBUST

  • mattbb1

    i think youre just after some jolly over to los angeles irving. Truth is hes a 14 year old in Stockton.

  • number1inyorkshire

    good news about OBRIEN FOR ME lets hope can can be the player we need to work with lees .if what has been said is true we need to get behind the lad and support him through it ,it is something that has obviously been going on a while

    • TimPM

      @number1inyorkshire You’ve got to be a real man to have the bravery to ask others for support when you’re in that state. The lad’s done himself proud. Here’s hoping he’ll be back on the pitch for us some day soon!

  • Chareose

    Has it occurred to you all what would actually happen if we did get promoted ???…………………….

    You really think Ken would shell out the single sums of cash required to purchase the likes of Townsend and Delph ??? So in affect Grayson would have a couple of million to replace 2/3rds of his team, the loanees would leave in mass and wed have to try and persuade those players like Snodgrass coming to the end of their contracts to sign new deals………. but they would want a lot more money.

    So 7-8 players of premiership quality needed to sign in the summer simply because the management at elland road didnt have the ambition or vision to hold onto the decent players we already have and make the odd DECENT permenent signing…………it wont happen will it

    Meanwhile Ken would walk off with the best part of 50 million premiership income

    • mattbb1

      so why didnt we make a single substitution, put white further forward, take off townsend, bring on pugh….. i know we all like to blame ken bates, but any monkey of a manager could have parked the team bus in front of goal, that performance wasnt good enough. I imagine Yeovil would have made a better job of defending against birmingham tonight than we have. pathetic.

      • Chareose

        @mattbb1

        Ive supported Grayson a long time, i think hes been shafted by Bates………..but im sick of him towing the Bates Propaganda Line, I want Simon Grayson to walk, I want him to refuse the golden handshake Bates offers him in order to keep silent and I want him to spill the beans on Bates and stir up the biggest hornets nest in the history of football ………..

        • mattbb1

          @Chareose if you meet a stronger opponent the key is not to get beaten, weve had gutfuils of it when we went to the likes of hereford, exeter and so on – so why dont we ever learn? graysons calling the shots, but our squad was capable of a 0-0 tonight or even a 1-0 win. the team are NOT world beaters but they arent so bad as we should be getting beaten 4-1 1-0 maybe. They just seem clueless to me, and yet another underwhelming transfer window has passed, 3 loan signings 1 clapped out keeper for the season and one permanent signing of a player who is warming the bench? i’ve stuck by not going to Elland Road and intend to do so until Bates does the decent thing and sells the team to someone with ambition. We had an opportunity – could we really not have signed up Keith Andrews, Sammy Clingan, Danny Higginbotham with a £2m cash windfall for a fee and Howsons wages?….. couldnt we have afforded billy sharp for the same – hed have bagged us a couple last night. I can feel my liver fizzing with anger as i await the much used claptrap surrounding `thats what the emergency loan window is for’ but right now weve more loans than your average Greek high street Bank.

    • number1inyorkshire

      @Chareose there is no point thinking about getting promoted we will not thats our season over .aslong as grayson is manager at leeds we will not get promoted he needs to go and atke all his staff with him

  • Chareose

    i know we joked about what he once said at chelsea about destroying leeds united but im starting to wonder…..

  • mattbb1

    no fear, we have a new commercial partner…… please god make this misery stop.

  • Spongenose

    Tonight, I am officially embarrassed to be a Leeds United supporter. Now 43, a fan since aged 5 – Iam shocked.

  • number1inyorkshire

    when i calm down i will have my say but to all those who say we should have gone and support the team well i did and for fucking what that 1—-4 its a fucking joke grayson says he needs players he needs to fuck off tonight clear your desk you fucking useless knob and take that fucking knob eddie gray with you he is a fucking big and idiot as lorimer

  • number1inyorkshire

    matthew we have heard it all before well i have listened to the Bates apologists get short shrift on here and rightly so ,so now it will be my job to stop when the grayson apologists come on /grayson is a fucking prick and before he is removed which he will be he should do the honourable thing and resign he is finished at leeds ,dead man walking.

    • number1inyorkshire

      he has just been on bates radio talking bollocks talked about how young the back 4 was and how inexperienced they are ,WELL HE PLAYED THEM conolly is better than thompson ,pugh is better than white i am better than townsend

      he has come on again and slagged off his players off for not being old enough and inexperienced when he played tham and left the others on the bench who are better

    • number1inyorkshire

      heard it before pal bates doesnt pick the team .bates didn’t promise us new players this week grayson brought all those players in ..

      i would have picked a team from what we have that would have played better tonight and do you know what i think grayson said he could have picked a better side

      now thats not an opinion its a fact ….did you go tonight

    • number1inyorkshire

      YOU do not know we have no money, tonight actually wasn’t about money HE GRAYSON played the wrong team simple as its not rocket science CONNOLLY IS BETTER THAN THOMPSON .PUGH IS BETTER THAN WHITE .THATS THE PUGH HE HAS JUST BOUGHT REMEMBER .WHITE SHOULD HAVE PLAYED INSTEAD OF TOWNSEND .THE FUCKING TEA LADY SHOULD HAVE PLAYED INSTEAD OF BECCHIO

      I WILL ASK AGAIN DID MATTHEW GO TO E R TONIGHT

    • Dje

      @Matthew Last week Bates was talking of £900,000-£1.5m that Grayson has to spend (and this post Pugh’s £500k). Was this utter bollocks? Perhaps. In which case Grayson is been made a fool of by Bates and publicly so. He should have walked and come out and said Bates is lying, there is no money. He didn’t, so we are left wondering, why didn’t you spend the money you idiot – it is YOUR last chance before you get sacked in the Summer (or sooner).

      Instead more loans. Only no loan where we need one the most, centre back.

      Zigic has scored four all season until tonight. That means that every other back pair has been able to deal with him. Not us. That’s five out of his eight league goals we’ve given him. Doesn’t that tell you about how poor we are and lacking a competent centre back? Instead we bring in a right back. Nothing against Smith, but we need more, so much more.

      The saviour of our season now is Andy O’FuckinBrien.

    • number1inyorkshire

      call me what the fuck you like, hindsight is an exact science i agree but .if you do not agree that conolly is better than thompson ,pugh at left back white at left mid townsend is not that good bench

      i will take it then you did not go tonight

    • Dje

      @Matthew It is simple. Bates: “Grayson has money to spend”. Grayson says nothing to contradict him. Silence is acquiescence. Either Grayson finds a pair of balls and calls Bates out, and faces the consequence (the sack), or be a stooge and take the flak and eventual fall for Bates when he fails to deliver. Calling Bates out is the only glimmer of hope for what else is a Catch-22 situation for Grayson. Unfortunately Grayson seems to believe that he can get us promoted with half a team of short term loans and no defense. We don’t believe; he’s delusional.

    • number1inyorkshire

      @Dje @matthew grayson has come on the radio tonight and almost conceded that he could and should have picked a better team than he did that back 4 is too young it was mistake after mistake that got him his 4 goals .white ,lees were both guilty ..he has better players than he picked tonight

    • Chareose

      @number1inyorkshire @Dje @matthew

      oh cmon guys…….even a blind man with a black bag over his head would know Grayson hasnt been allowed to spend any money…… the guy may not be perfect but hes not mentally ill or a retard. If he had the millions that Bates has been proclaiming that hes got in his transfer kitty hed have spent it………..oh and by the way Bates has also stated we have over spent so it depends on which Bates you beleive……. I too want grayson to go but mainly so that he can finally lift the lud on Ken Bates

    • number1inyorkshire

      @Chareose @Dje @matthew sorry chareose i think i agree to a degree so who is lying because right now grayson is the one staring down the barrel .

      grayson has said he has money to spend ,he has said that he promised players coming in 2-3 ,we know what we need he has said more than once .

      he is not any more the one to take us forward we are going backwards

    • Dje

      @Chareose Exactly. So why does Grayson shuffle awkwardly and say nothing about the lack of funds? Playing along with the old c*nt because you “love the club” and are a “fan since childhood” is utterly counter-productive, Grayson is propping up the cancer in this club by not walking/contradicting Bates.

    • number1inyorkshire

      @Chareose @Dje @matthew tell you what if i have to watch any more of that i will be a mentally ill retard ..

    • Chareose

      @Dje

      Grayson always skirted around the transfer funds questions but i agree hes aided and abetted the PR line in constantly suggesting we will sign exciting players and we dont……. However there is absolutely no doubt whatso ever that we are not allowed to spend money on players. Grayson isnt choosing to opt for short term loanees because he has a sexual fettish for players with zero commitment to the club he apparantly supports…….. Neither would Grayson want to sell his best players. Hes guilty of being sucked into Kens world along with Lorimer and I really wish i could have them both sat round a table with me so I could get to the bottom of whats going on…………do they geninely beleive that Ken is the Mesiah ??? What has Ken sold to them ?? Didnt they know that pumping out propaganda in order to increase season ticket sales or help the mood will just backfire on them ? Is Grayson just incredibly thick ?

    • Dje

      @Chareose To answer your question, IMHO: ‘yes’.

    • CraigSweaton

      @Dje @Chareose I think you’re wrong about SG. He stays at the club and says nothing because he’s trying to do the very best he can for our club. So he tried some youngsters out and it didn’t work…so what? How many times have we had “experienced profesionals” at the back (Southampton/Barnsley to name just 2) and we’ve STILL been embarrassed by average sides.

      Successful sides are almost always the ones who steadily build year on year by cutting away the dead wood and replacing by better players 1 or 2 at a time. Fact!

      I personally admire Grayson for not walking out on the club he loves in favour of an easier job, at a club that are open about the financial constraints placed on the manager….maybe he too is hoping Bates will die before too much longer?

      Just a thought lads….

  • number1inyorkshire

    sorry matthew they both need to go they are both inept ,but grayson picks the side

    Bet grayson goes before bates .

    well you have your opinions i will have mine if we get a match forum did you go tonight ???

  • Ozwhite

    Any truth to the snoddy handing in a transfer request?

    • Dje

      @Ozwhite He’s left it a bit late if he has?!

      • number1inyorkshire

        @Dje @Ozwhite agreed when he played tonight i knew he was staying til may he will be gone before the play offs cos we will not be in them

      • Ozwhite

        @Dje Heard he handed it in today and any deal would have to be concluded during the birmingham match, we won’t know til tomorrow if it’s true.

        • number1inyorkshire

          @Ozwhite @Dje watching sky sports news nothing on there don’t think grayson would have played him ???

        • Ozwhite

          @number1inyorkshire @Dje I agree in principal but if they hadn’t had him on the team sheet there’d have been a fucking riot at ER. If I was selling him I’d have done it that way too, sad state of affairs either way

        • Dje

          @Ozwhite If that is the case it can only be for a team that had the offer n the table for a while. Presumably Leeds turned it down, but he wants out. I still think it’d be a lot of scurrying for your contract – biggest and most important of his life at his age and stage of career – when the summer would offer as good if not better options for him. But as you say, time will tell soon enough.

        • number1inyorkshire

          @Ozwhite @Dje sad state of affairs indeed it has come to the time when sadly the gaffer needs to go .he will be sacked sooner or later its only a matter of time

        • SnobsLUFC

          @number1inyorkshire @Ozwhite @Dje

          think we need too make the most of the next 3 months cos he will be top of the list to go in the summer. Closely followed by Aidy. Number1 owe you a huge apology !!!!!! you were right i was wrong. wasting my time and money turning up week in week out, my boys can scream til their throats bleed it wont get any better, this is how good we are – not very. Adam Smith must be wishing he showed as much sense as Alan Smith and stayed at MK

        • Ozwhite

          @SnobsLUFC @number1inyorkshire @Dje I’m gutted I’m coming over in August and was hopin to get to ER to see the lads play but I don’t think I’ll know any of the team by then

        • Dje

          @Ozwhite You might be lucky, we might be ground sharing with Leeds Rhinos by then! At least you’d see a good game then.

        • SnobsLUFC

          @Ozwhite @number1inyorkshire @Dje

          Oz after what i have seen tonight that would be a good thing …….

        • number1inyorkshire

          @SnobsLUFC @Ozwhite @Dje there are no winners infact its us the fans loosing right now though accept your apology lol only joking

        • SnobsLUFC

          @number1inyorkshire @Ozwhite @Dje

          Make you right right again !!!!! Gonna go cry into my pillow now. Tomorrow is another day !!! probaly one where i buy the tickets for our next bout of ritual humiliation. Cant help myself. Might leave the boys at home though. Dont want the NSPCC coming round. Taking the boys to ER at the minute could be classed as child abuse !!!!!!

  • Mark45

    @Matthew @Spongenose Birmingham have lost 14 players since the summer and had zip to spend. Limited investment in the team is only part of the story, our spineless manager has to take his share of the blame. Grayson has no credibility left, he takes his wages off bates, promotes and supports bates propaganda and continues to offer Leeds supporters the usual hollow promises never to be fulfilled. Grayson cashed in his integrity to keep his job, sooner he leaves Leeds the better. At least we can then unite in action against the real cancer eating away at our club. Time to go Grayson, not an ounce of respect left for you and no belief in anything you say.

    • Dje

      @Matthew I’m sorry, but I’m only in it for the football. I’m not turning up each week for some big anti-Bates fuckfest. My life has enough challenges to it without looking for another straw dog to yowl at. Bates out, that’s fine, I’m in; but I’m in it for the football first and foremost. And we’re gash, football fuckin’ gash. The grass is always greener – or no worse shit stained – when we play so poorly (yes the 1st half was OK, but what is that worth when you self-implode in the second?).

      I’d welcome anything that offered hope of improving the football. I can’t make Bates part with our cash, I can’t pick the team, I can’t play myself, but I can have the hope that any half-competent football manager coming in will take us forward. It really shouldn’t be too hard.

      If Bates-apologists see that as deflecting attention away from the bigger, badder wolf, then so be it, let ‘em, it aint so black and white.

    • number1inyorkshire

      @Dje @matthew not that but it has been for ages we seem to be hiding behind the Ipswich win which was more of them f—— up than us been better than them .this has been going on since November …..AGAIN

  • Chareose

    @number1inyorkshire

    cmon guys im supposed to be the agressive one around here, dont fight each other, your both good fans. All leeds fans need to start working together as one………starting with boycotting the southampton game so the TV cameras really catch our mood

    Unfortunately though i beleive all the management and ownership need to leave for the club tomove forward, too many lies

  • Mark45

    Just got home from the match, so disillusioned I actually can’t remember any of the 90 miles I’ve just driven. I know Grayson still has his supporters, I just don’t understand why. Take Snodgrass out of the team (something we all need to come to terms with in the summer) and we really are a desperately ordinary team. We all know Bates is a compulsive liar, I am equally sick and tired of listening to Graysons cliched ridden post match comments and his empty hollow promises on improving the squad, having money to spend etc etc etc. Grayson has the opportunity to still make a difference, but only if he resigns. Grayson leaving will at least unite and galvanise all Leeds supporters against Bates, at the moment we are divided and arguing amongst ourselves. It’s time for Grayson to summon up the last dregs of his integrity and dignity and walk away. His team isn’t good enough, he isn’t good enough and as long as he stays all we have to look forward to is more of what we are currently getting.
    Time to go Grayson, do it for the club and supporters, we deserve much more than we are getting, and if we can’t have a better team we at least deserve a manager that will be honest with us about it and will fight tooth and nail to make it better.

    • Chareose

      @Mark45

      agree but he needs to spill the beans, that will galvanize the fans……………… bates will be worried about that so he will try to do what he did to gradel and do a deal to keep graysons mouth shut

      • Mark45

        @Chareose Absolutely, I really hope he does, not holding my breath though.

  • lufc79

    Its all over,tonight has just put the nail in the coffin….R.I.P. LEEDS UNITED..

    Thank you very much Mr Bates..you and grayson please leave use alone…with you gone we may rise again one day.

  • DubaiWhite

    That’s it; the ultimate evidence of that we haven’t got a team that will reach the playoffs let alone get promoted. The strategy of Grayson is obviously to sell our regular first teamers and replace them with unknown youngsters and loan players returning from injury. I have all the respect of Grayson, he has improved the team and taken us out on League One but he obviously doesn’t have the potential to take us any further. His main problem is that he is defending Bates by not clearly stating that he has taken us a far as possible with the funding he has.

    Time to speak up Simon.

    • Spongenose

      @DubaiWhite

      Sorry – did you mean ‘you have all the respect ‘FOR’ Grayson rather than ‘of’? Who is respecting who here? Is it you he is respecting or he that you are respecting? Confused.

      • TimPM

        @Spongenose Everyone respects @DubaiWhite ;-)

  • number1inyorkshire

    I HAVE A QUESTION

    did any of our subs actually at any point get of the bench to warm up etc

    i do not think they did .

    Last night reminded me of Gary MAC at histon was it ?? clueless

    • TimPM

      @number1inyorkshire Ramon Nunez was ready to come on at one point I think but that never happened in the end.

      • number1inyorkshire

        @TimPM cheers tim must have been between naps !!

  • number1inyorkshire

    matthew you seem to have changed your mind again about grayson .

    It is only recently that you have started to summon up the courage to realise that he is not good enough to get us up .no one likes it

    19K + last night ,a category A game my tickets had a value of £ 92 in real terms yes £92 .

    our subs never ever got of the bench to warm up .never mind being good enough to come on to make a difference .Ramon Nunez should be given to Farsley .

    its easy to blame bates ,but the team is not has fault .if leeds loose to Bristol on Saturday ,if he is still in charge then he will be sacked it is as simple as that and should be ..

    • number1inyorkshire

      there is never a good time to go pal ,it might aswell be now if not him he needs a re-structure of his back room staff

  • mattbb1

    Some people will point to negative comments as being knne jerk. But to escape this division you need to beat the big hitters, Southampton, West Ham, Birmingham. And so far weve managed a draw against West Ham, been beaten twice by birmingham, and humiliated on day one by southampton. I lay 95% of the blame at bates door. We should have invested, its as simple as that, and part of that investment should have been to terminate contracts – the likes of billy paynter though came here because they were cheap – i dont blame grayson for taking those gambles, because when you ahve no money you make do. Where Simon is at fault is in his tactics and team selection, theres no point trying to outplay birmingham, man for man we arent good enough as the scoreline proved. We needed to contain them once we got our goal, if everyone else can see it why couldnt he? to then blame a rookie defence, and go on to sign a 20 year old left back…. come on? will bromby, bruce and connolly save us?….. of course not.

    • henrymouni

      @mattbb1

      I agree on all points Matt.

      We have discussed and suggested/warned that we had to improve our squad for two years!!

      Simon is feeling the pressure now!

      In last night’s interview he was grasping for, and missing, straws.

      As you say ‘ the rookie defence’.

      He said his young defence was up against “fully grown men”!!!!!!!!

      One was overgrown!!!!

      No reason to leave ‘Big John’ unmarked for his 4 goals though?

      He had only scored 4, all season, until last night.

      I suspect the other teams were marking him??

      You mention ‘no money’.

      I suspect KB may well, in his fingering pointing mode, say how much money there is left unspent!!

      He has already brought up the players wages.

      The fans revolt is gaining momentum, with only 19,000+ last night.

      He would have expected maybe 25,000 for a big game with Brum?

  • TimPM

    On an entirely side note, Simon Grayson’s sounded on the verge of tears numerous times over the past two weeks. Nobody can question his commitment, and his record on (despite what Eddie Gray thinks) is a very small budget for a promotion-pushing club is indisputable.

    I feel very sorry for the man behind the manager at the moment. This isn’t football, it’s a shit soap opera.

    • TimPM

      And thus the inevitable happens. Grayson’s done a good job and I hope he’ll have a lot to say in his defence. It’s clear the footballing world including players and managers have been pretty united in his support, and I remember Charlie Nicklas criticising Bates’ lack of investment after Gary Mac was sacked.

      It’s an obvious move for Bates. Less than 20k fans and some of the fools will go back now that Grayson’s been sacked.

      • henrymouni

        @TimPM

        Sad day but it was inevitable, the way things were going.

        I think Simon will be relieved himself.

        The club are” looking for someone who can more out of the current squad”!

        Good luck with that!!!

      • henrymouni

        @TimPM

        Sad day but it was inevitable, the way things were going.

        I think Simon will be relieved himself.

        The club are” looking for someone who can get more out of the current squad”!

        Good luck with that!!!

  • number1inyorkshire

    last nights result had NOTHING to do with bates we can argue all day long about transfers etc ,etc and i agree ,

    we know about all that stuff but Grayson needs to take some responsibility

    1st he moaned about how young they were in the back 4 i agree yippee so then why go out and loan a 20 year old we have 1 of those already Zac Thompson .

    2nd he picked the wrong team now this is about opinions of course

    keeper ==lonegan

    right back ==lees

    centre back == bruce —odea

    left back ==pugh

    left mid ==white

    right mid ==snodders/ townsend

    clayton, delph ==mid

    mccormack .snodders ,paynter, forsell , the tea lady ,the south stand stewards. lass in ticket office or a last resort becchio as strikers

    the kids are great players but not good enough yet ,

    DO you know i have a very very small niggle in my head and i am probably way of the mark that grayson almost played that side to get beat so he can have a go at the transfer saga is that possible ?

  • mattbb1

    as swansea and norwich have proven you actually need competent players, thats all, and a plan you stick to. last nights eresult was totally inexcusable. bates is the chief villain, but realistically we need to either get simon grayson some help tactically, or else we need a boat load of different players. With Bates back from South Africa (i imagine where he was on a lion shoot) he’ll no doubt still have his rifle loaded for saturday afternoon. Anything less than a walloping victory for Leeds and its good bye simon. Who can we expect?…. Gus Poyet, Di Matteo, Dave Jones, Keith Hill from Barnsley… it spoke volumes to me when grayson said he `wasnt sure’ if there was more money to spend, that suggests he is being kept in the dark by Bates. and shame on you Bates for selling him down the river.

    • number1inyorkshire

      @mattbb1 he has been shot already