Mr. Chairman got love for the Norwich City folk TSS February 16, 2011 Leeds United 80 Comments Ahead of Norwich City’s visit to Elland Road this Saturday, Ken Bates has come over all mutually respectful… “They are a good team, a good club, and they are well run.” What he meant to add at this point was, “but they are also small-time cretins with six fingers who think they are worthy of a place in the Premier League. What the f**k does a chef know about football? Stay in the kitchen Delia… that’s what I say” Of course, Ken Bates found an opportunity to praise himself in this interview – I mean, why wouldn’t he? And more to the point, when doesn’t he? “We have a good manager, a good team, a good ground, great supporters, and we’re being run carefully and wisely.” Helps you sleep at night knowing you’re being run by a careful and wise man doesn’t it? I prefer ‘sinister and sneaky’ but we all know I’m not his biggest fan. Let’s not dwell on that… Mr. Chairman (as he likes to be called) ends by telling us that he hopes both Leeds United and Norwich can get promoted this season. “It’d be nice if we both got promotion this season, us automatically, them through the Play-Offs.” “Yes, it’d definitely be nice to have a female owner in the Premier League with us. She can hoover up and prepare sandwiches for the League meetings. I hear she does a lovely ham and cheese!” Chris from Wakey Whaaaaat – Uncle Ken praising another club. There must be something in it for him – maybe Delia is gonna cook his Sunday lunch. Ilkleywhite Blimey, Uncle Ken being nice to another club, never thought I’d see the day!!! He will probably be ringing Delia after the match to give her a bollocking and telling her to get her arse in the kitchen where it belongs, and to take her “two bob” team back to East Anglia. Gryff Pliable, quiet fans; music played when you score; plenty of space a few hundred metres south-east for a conglomorate of useless shops and conference centres for the overpaid t*ssers in London to go on their days out. Hell, it’s only two minutes walk from the station! Why doesn’t he go buy out Norwich? Or would it take a lot to prize the stadium & training facilities from the club? Craig Living just 20 miles from Norwich, I too have a respect for my local club. The difference between us is that Delia loves her club and she and her husband have put millions of their own money into it. Justin This post is an embarrassment. Credit to you for dragging your knuckles off the floor and onto the keyboard long enough to finish it though. As for 6 fingers, at least we can count to 12 without having to take our shoes off. But then, at least we have shoes outside Yorkshire. Stereotypes are so easy, aren’t they ? TSS Easy and fun. The credit goes to yourself however, for taking the time out to bite the bait. Also, credit must be given for your ability to operate a PC with all those deformities. Kudos all round I think? StuartL Let me get this right. Bates is belligerent he gets slagged off. Bates is conciliatory and magnanimous and gets slagged off. There seems to be a (fairly pathetic) theme. The point of your post was what, precisely? TSS At least when he’s being a tit he remains consistent. Think you take stuff like this a little too seriously – and probably give Bates a little more credit than he deserves. If you wish to put your trust in a chairman who threatened to put your club into extinction, who has failed in his promises to re-purchase TA and ER and who continues to hide the clubs ownership behind sham companies then you’re more than welcome to – but having a go at those who refuse to accept any of his nonsense is unlikely to make for the most harmonious life. henryv Leave Uncle Ken alone!! He has soft spots all over him! “….She can hoover up and prepare sandwiches for the League meetings. I hear she does a lovely ham and cheese!” remember what happened to Keys and Gray, TSS!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojjdP01ydqo TSS Hey, that wasn’t reflective of my own thoughts. I’m a very liberal kind of guy. That was simply a guess at what Bates was really thinking… Tim Campbell I think the ‘real’ feelings are more evident from Grant Holt’s interview with the YEP rather than Mr Chairmans interview. Holt was in beligerent mood when he said that Norwich were going to rectify the defeat they suffered last time here. It shows how much that hurt that night and it would give me immense pleasure if we did it again for more than one reason. Norwich have done well since coming up, but we have improved considerably since last year. I dunno about anyone else but their manager Lambert must have been a racehorse in a previous life, because in any interview he gives its as if hes wearing blinkers. MOT Ron I just hope I can stir up this much debate when I’m Ken’s age and my prostate is the size of a papaya. We’d all love him to reach into his own pocket occasionally and buy us a player, but I’d sooner have Uncle Ken and his outbursts pulling the strings, than some Arab or sinister Russian. Norwich are doing well and just because we are Leeds, it doesn’t mean we have to hate everyone else. TSS Norwich are doing well and just because we are Leeds, it doesn’t mean we have to hate everyone else You clearly haven’t read ‘The Beginner’s Guide to Being A Leeds United Fan’ by WACCOE Ron If I was a f***ing beginner, I’d read it. TSS Fair point. But these are the essentials (according to the author that is) EYLEEDS Norfolk is one big happy family – literally! Tim Campbell I’ve still got that moment on sky plus when their goalie kicked the ball straight to jermaine and the rest was history. The look on lamberts face was priceless. I love it roll on saturday!! Justin TSS – what do you mean, 12 fingers just means I can type faster. Your arms must really ache after holding your hands in such an unnatural position though, sooner you let those knuckles back on the ground, the happier you’ll be. Any idiot can use a computer these days, I’m looking at the proof of that in this article. Maybe they should make computers harder to use… LeedsDude Very poor post. Mikelufc Every now and then David you seem to lose control and allow your real self show through Tut Tut! upset a few people you have, mostly in-breds I must admit. Craig Welcome back Mike. I thought you’d gone for good. Jonny I think the Norwich fans commenting on this article are slightly missing the point. The author’s not putting his own views down, rather what Ken is more than likely thinking despite what he’s saying. Also since when has a stereotype of Yorkshire being that we don’t have shoes? Nuff Said “Also since when has a stereotype of Yorkshire being that we don’t have shoes?!” I believe the commonly held view is that you’re all in clogs. Colin TSS The picture of Ken is wrong – he doesn’t wear glasses anymore. He’s had laser surgery and and he probably used the money that you spent on your season ticket to pay for it. Loved them diamond floodlights All this bates hating really is wearing a bit thin look where we were and where we have been and then look where we are now A lot of sheep in football though eh TSS We can be top of the Premier League, there’s still going to be a majority that hate him for threatening to send our club under if he didn’t get his own way, and for failing to repurchase any of our assets (like he promised) despite selling our youngsters to fund it. The man is a cretin. PS – The original post was a piss-take. Hardly scandalous, anti-Bates propaganda. Some people really need to lighten up a little. Loved them diamond floodlights I understand your valid reasons of dislike I understand people who don’t dislike ridsdale to be honest he is a Leeds fan who gambled to make us better and it backfired ,bates is still picking up the pieces all us fans chat about these things over a beer we even laugh about stuff why not? It’s done we moved on sort of although our credit rating might not be great still and yes we do want our ground back and a training venue which for the life of me can’t understand why we don’t go back to training on the valentines fair And forget ta It’s all about opinions and most people I hear talking support what bates has and is doing to be honest the only real venom I ever notice towards bates is on the net no matter what stand I end up in at er I never hear a dickie about bates Craig Maybe you only see criticism on the net because people think it is harder to get sued. Loved them diamond floodlights When I’m in er on Saturday getting a good result against a good team I won’t be thinking a cretin runs us But if like I heard that the east upper won’t open again all season no matter what I will not be impressed TSS Hardly Bates’ doing if we win on Saturday. Sure, he’s provided some stability, but when did his hand go in his pocket exactly? Don’t give me the wages argument either because we have no proof of that other than Bates’ word – and that’s proved less reliable as a 40 year old Lada. Plus, even if it is true, we have a substantially higher income than the rest of this league – our wages SHOULD be higher. How else are we able to gain an advantage? Stability is an easy thing to give a club when the manager is winning. What about the three failed managers before that? You’re bound to hit a good one sooner or later… Loved them diamond floodlights To be fair unless one of us is on the inside we are guessing or making facts up re money , stability comes from within bates hires and fires managers he has made mistakes no doubt but has getting Grayson not been a masterstroke he saw something and he persevered and paid compo I will bet money when Grayson does his book it will contain an awful lot of plus points on bates a he’ll of a lot that we are not privy to I don’t think for one minute Grayson would stay at Leeds if he did not have full backing off bates Leeds fan or not and isn’t that all that matters at present chairman and manager as one so to speak the best manager on earth can’t work properly without his chairman 100% behind him it’s proved time and again Anyway let’s just hope Norwich city’s goalie hasn’t too many fingers satdy think it will be one of them good days me TSS I think I only know one Leeds fan (in person) that actually likes Bates and wants him at Elland Road. The haters far outweigh the apologists I reckon. Maybe I’ll open a vote. Loved them diamond floodlights Why not? But it’s not a popularity thing is it? It’s weather under his chairmanship our club has regained stability got rid of debt got one of the brightest young managers available , is planning for a sound financial future , is restructuring the academy to bring the best young players back to Leeds,is trying to turn er into a 365 days a year money spinner although rod Stewart might screw that up, East stand upper shut now due to improvements so I was told at the ground when getting tickets and it’s all for the future it’s all about stability why is that so bad? The Reaper 08 You may well be right TSS but my feeling is that ever so slowly the tides are changing. I don’t believe there will ever be the stage that he is liked but I bet you didn’t expect as many people to fight back. TSS On the contrary. You control the media, you control the thoughts of your customers. Some people will buy it, some won’t. I’ll just stick to the facts, and he’s failed in every respect. I’ll also never forgive him for threatening to sink our club. TSS Hatred is drawn from fact. He threatened to put our club into extinction. He failed to repurchase TA and ER (as promised). And most importantly, treats the support like idiots by keeping everyone in the dark on everything. He has no facts in his favour – he won’t tell us anything! The Reaper 08 TSS when it comes to Bates I deal in fact, you deal in hatred. No shame in that but don’t pretend otherwise. TSS Hatred is drawn from fact. He threatened to put our club into extinction. He failed to repurchase TA and ER (as promised). And most importantly, treats the support like idiots by keeping everyone in the dark on everything. He has no facts in his favour – he won’t tell us anything! The Reaper 08 It is only a fact that he is yet to purchase TA or ER. Until he relinquishes control surely that is not a question you are able to answer with fact ? It is however a fact that the stadium and matchday income has been improved by investing in facilities that will sustain the club for years to come. TSS No it’s not. You have absolutely no proof of that. You have no idea if these businesses make money, or if the money goes into LUFC. Bates still draws an income from Chelsea Village (a venture that posted huge losses for a long time and nearly bankrupted Chelski) from what I can make out. Does that not alarm you? When we sold Delph we were told that was to repurchase TA. Didn’t happen, When he came in (again), TA and ER were the priority. Not half a dozen new boxes for executives and “the best conference facilities from London to Manchester” You can’t just blindly defend him without facts Reaper. You have less proof than I do. I have his broken promises to drawn from and the precedents he set in the past when robbing Irish banks and nearly sending Chelski into a state of financial doom Leeds could have laughed at. Ask yourself why businesses like Yorkshire Radio aren’t held by Leeds United, yet cost us a considerable sum of money to fund? That doesn’t strike you as strange. You go look at your facts, and find me some proof that Bates has directly benefited the future of LUFC. The future of LUFC depends on players and assets. That’s where the value in a football club comes from – something he’s ignored completely. The Reaper 08 TSS the point is I have as many facts as you do. The difference being that you easily dismiss things you don’t like the sound of. You are right I don’t have the facts about the income generated, I also don’t have the facts that he doesn’t take money from Leeds, I don’t have any on if he will or won’t buy back TA & ER and neither do I have any over whether or not he is the owner, but neither do you have any to contradict that. And that as they say is a fact. TSS Yes, so all we can work on is the failings so far and precedent. None of which goes in his favour. If you’re willing to dismiss all that, then that’s your prerogative. All us “Bates haters” want is some transparency, and for him to deliver on the promises he made. Until he does that, then why should I trust him? There’s nothing in his history that suggests I should. Loved them diamond floodlights Someone one day will buy Leeds so all said improvements will benefit all parties the buyer the seller the fans everyone how can all the boxes conference facilities etc not be beneficial to Leeds united going forward ? It’s a business , and our playing staff include at least 5 present and future internationals and have more than held there own against 4 of the top teams in the land hardly not supported the management in player acquisition TSS Anyway, what is fact (until he changes it, or if should I say) is that he hasn’t repurchased TA and ER, but somehow financed mass development of land we don’t own. What is also fact is that the supporters are kept in the dark about everything. Further fact for you, is that he threatened to send Leeds under if his dodgy takeover wasn’t approved. And finally, another fact, is that the man has failed epically in every business venture he’s ever undertaken, but got bailed out at the last second in the most high profile one (Chelski). There’s a few facts for you. The Reaper 08 Every business has it’s ups and downs (to coin an apt Leeds phrase). Regardless of Chelsea’s financial state, and they were never under threat of anything he left them in a much much better position. Add one of the reasons cited for Roman’s acquisition of Chelsea was the quality and quantitiy of land and buildings that came with the club. Now who was it that did all that again…. TSS What? Who was it that placed Chelsea in a valuable patch of London real-estate? Was that Bates? Well… credit where it’s due… The club was days from financial ruin – ask any Chelski fan (my Dad is one, unfortunately) The Reaper 08 Well they were hours away from going under when he purchased them with no ground and a failing team. When he left the stadium was first rate and they ahd just qualified for the Champions League. And incidentally the portfolio of Chelsea FC was valued at in excess of £400 million when he sold, at that time they were rumoured to be £80-£100m in debt. TSS It’s all land mate. Building a hotel in Chelsea is one thing, but Beeston? C’mon! If Chelski was worth 400m and in only 100m of debt, then why did Roman only pay 140m? I’m no accountant, but the Master of Business seems to have got a rough deal there… The Reaper 08 TSS, it’s all to do with what you use the land for. Prime real estate in London and Surrey would command such prices if broken up and sold for development. It wasn’t sold as that is was sold as a football club with circa £100m debt. A lot is dependant on either moving the club or closing it completly and selling for business/housing. A field sold for agriculture is worth £10k, a field sold for housing could be worth millions. Loved them diamond floodlights Yes TSS may well be right but the condition of our club should be paramount and from an outsiders point of view our club is healthier than many, do we want owners of the calibre we have seen lately would we prefer Milan mandric, or that lot at blackburn or the twat yanks over the pennines or whoever else fancy screwing up a great British football club no matter what club it is it was built by working class people over a lot of years and none deserve these foreign money men having a jolly and moving there debt onto it and taking the soul out of it , and I truly believe bates has not done that he loves football and is an astute buisnessman and he balances the two very well Imo Loved them diamond floodlights Threatening to sink our club=astute buisnessman? Who knows who cares past is past future is bright bring it on roll on saturday TSS I care. I can’t blindly forgive that – it had nothing to do with business. It was his teddy leaving the cot when he thought he wouldn’t get his own way. It showed how little he cares about the football club. Loved them diamond floodlights Deleted post? censorship? TSS Nothing was deleted? Loved them diamond floodlights Then I apologise my mistake tss Loved them diamond floodlights If he tells us everything everyone everywhere knows everything no business I know works like that not for long anyroad EYLEEDS Still think any good chairman could have achieved the stability we needed without all of Bates’ cloak and dagger crap. The man is rude and obtuse and has probably scared off potential investors that could have helped our recovery. He needs to start being transparent with the fans about who owns our club and where all the money is going. Until then I don’t trust him and certainly don’t see him as our saviour. Loved them diamond floodlights Can see where a bit of brass is going on improvements around the ground, but the trouble is we the fans don’t know how much is spent it’s all rumours and guesswork , but every improvement around our ground makes it more attractive to premier league status and make no bones about it ken bates wants that business in the pl We should know who owns the club and bates probably does scare some investors off that is true Colin TSS Bates didn’t threaten to send our club under. He said that if they didn’t select his bid then it would go under. If it did, he and his investors would have lost all their money that spent to buy Leeds. Never going to happen. The Krasner consortium didn’t threaten to send the club under – that’s exactly what they did. They killed LUFC and were willing to let it go out of existance. The only way out was for Leeds to get a buyer. They did. Last minute. It was Bates. I’m not praising Bates. I think he made a long term financial investment that will pay off well, but Krasner was willing to let Leeds go to the wall. And that’s unforgivable. TSS No, what he said was that the creditors he controlled would let the club go under before selling to anyone else. Colin TSS – He didn’t say that. Give us an internet link that says that. The ‘creditors’ said they would only accept the Bates bid. That’s very different. Colin TSS – let’s say we own Leeds at that moment in time. You have 60%, but I’ve got the other 40%, but you’re my business partner and best mate who I’ve worked with for all my life. And I’ve always let you control LUFC. Let’s call you Ken Bates and call me Patrick Murrin (just random names of course). What do I do? Do I accept a slightly better offer, let’s say 20p in the pound or do I stick with you offering 12p in the pound?? Answer: I tell KPMG that I’ll pull out unless TSS gets the ownership of LUFC. Oh, and by the way I’ve got a lot of other profitable investments tied up with TSS elsewhere as well. TSS Are you also going to create the creditors to ensure you have the majority share? That would be extremely helpful. And yes, he did say that. Where do you want the link from? The OS, YEP, Yorkshire Radio? They don’t publish things like that for some reason… Colin And well played Scunthorpe!! Beat Forest 1-0! Hmmmm, interesting! The Reaper 08 Great result for Scunny, no doubt led ny the imperious Andrew Hughes. Colin Reaper – I don’t want to say anything until after the Norwich match. If we win, if we just win it…and we could…errr, I’m not sure what to do! Colin TSS – I’ll take a link from anywhere that published it please. If you can’t provide one then it’s guess work. And yes I’m the creditor that ensures that you have the majority share. You okay with that TSS? And don’t you just love listening to Colin’s Yorkshire Radio station Colin or is Yorkshire Radio yours? I can’t remember. I might own LUTV instead. singing canary article made me chuckle .. thing is with delia … shes that good at knocking up good grub .she has adverts on Tv and looking at dear mr bates a bet hes a man who likes his food . maybe he has a thing for our delia and her mean pies .!!. i hope leeds come up 2nd to us … be nice to beat you to another championship winning medal 2nd season on the bounce .. all the best ..!! Loved them diamond floodlights F!?k off Matt BB I’m no Ken Bates fan, and think his MO since coming here has very much been one of smoke and mirrors. Taking the club into administration and threatening it with extinction was emotional blackmail of the highest order, and facing down the inland revenue was gmabling with the future of the club, personally i cant fogive him for that. That the club is on an `even’ footing as he claims is then contradicted by the fact that we couldnt get a loan from the council (before the con-dem cuts..) when as many people have pointed out a business like ours with turnover levels as they are and turning a small profit meant that this should have been a gimme. I accept that when the yorkshire consortium shuffled off that he was the only person around with £10m to buy us, and lets not forget that that this does represent `millions’ of his own money. I for one though will never truly warm to Ken no matter how much he professes to loving other clubs and wishing them well, i find that odd quite frankly. I’d really enjoy Norwich City getting a total thumping on Saturday, moreover that they tumble out of the play off places, fed up of them (like Millwall) turning up like a bad penny every time we think we’re going to get out of whatever godless lower league we have found ourselves in. Matt BB off my soap box now. henryv I like Ken! He is our lifesaver. I don’t care about the rest, because I do not know what it is. Conspiracy theories and guesses serve no purpose. Come on the boys!!! henryv You are hereSport>Leeds United>Latest Whites News Leeds United: Bates pledges full backing in loan market LEEDS UNITED CHAIRMAN KEN BATES PIC ANDREW VARLEY �VARLEY PICTURE AGENCY AUGUST 3rd 2010 “Published on Thu Feb 17 08:19:12 GMT 2011 Leeds United chairman Ken Bates says manager Simon Grayson is being “authorised and encouraged” to make improvements to his squad as the club seek to capitalise on their strong Championship position. Bates reiterated his commitment to backing Grayson in the emergency loan market ahead of Saturday’s promotion clash with Norwich City at Elland Road.” That’s is my boy!!! Matt BB does anyone remember what it was like to get backing in the `Trans-fer’ market.. mikelufc Can we all agree that Ken Bates is a total tw@t but he is our total tw@t and the sooner we are rid the better, thanks for the ride bates now bugger off please. But then we could get someone like the Glaziers! or maybe he is like the glaziers just sneakier !!!! EEEEEKKKKK! Henry I don’t agree Mike. Matt BB i think in the good times its easy to forget that we enjoyed these same – good times – about three and a half years ago – then ken introduced us to some bad times – via telling us we had no debt.. End result we are no furhter forward than when we all went down to wembley to get beaten by Watford – though arguably we have a better playing squad. Justin to be fair to TSS, Bates was a twat when he was at Chelsea and he tried to get electric fences put up to stop fans getting on the pitch, he’s being a twat by not telling you who “owns” the club, he will always be a twat. In the same way that Boris Johnson will always be a bumbling buffoon. Just because he’s chairman of your club doesn’t mean he’s not a twat. Craig Johnson’s ‘bumbling buffoon’ is an act. Bates’ twatness is part of his DNA.