Now that the dust has settled on our last-gasp promotion to the Championship, it’s time to look forward. After so many years of decline, Leeds United fans will now be hoping for a swift return to what most of us see as our natural home – The Premier League.

It’s not unthinkable either. Plenty of clubs have achieved back-to-back promotions and Leicester did extremely well in 2009-10, so why shouldn’t a club with the turnover of Leeds United be able to compete? Quite frankly, we should. Regardless of how deep our chairman’s/owner’s pockets may be.

The one thing that does concern me – and no doubt many others – however is the mysterious ownership that still hangs over our club. Forget the various conspiracy theories as they really don’t make any difference. What does, or will, make a difference however is whether this veil of transparency will ever be lifted.

I don’t want to get too far ahead of ourselves here, because promotion to the Premier League is by no means just a waiting game. There are far too many variables to predict the future of this club, and even the more optimistic amongst us still have a nagging doubt in the back of our minds that somewhere along the way, this temporary feeling of achievement will inevitably be cancelled out by an epic kick in the teeth.

But promotion to the Premier League is definitely a realistic target, so it would be short-sighted of us not to look at the possible implications of our return. To get to my point, the one that has me sweating the most is the variation in ownership rules that apply to Premier League clubs that don’t apply to us lower down. Those in the Premier League for example (and this is key) have to publicly declare who the beneficial owners of their football club are.

After so many years of desperately hiding the identity of our owners, Ken Bates’ tireless attempts to keep them covered up would be useless in the top flight. It’s a pre-condition of joining, so basically – no transparency, no place!

Now, I aren’t suggesting for one second that Ken Bates would keep us in the Championship simply to avoid letting the skeletons out of the closet. Even his most hardened critic (and I like to think I make the top ten) would be far-stretched to make that argument. Ken loves the publicity of it all, and the prospect of a clash between Leeds and Chelsea undoubtedly makes his mouth water.

You have to give Ken the benefit of the doubt here. He’s an educated enough man, and will be well aware of the different ownership rules that apply, so he must have drawn up a back-up plan for when/if we do make the Premier League – But what is that back-up plan? Are Leeds United now up for sale? Or has Ken Bates (and the beneficial owners of LUFC) resigned themselves to the unavoidable transparency that comes with a place in the Premier League?

  • superhoops

    The Guardian were saying that the transparency rules are being rolled out to the Championship!

    • LSD&2Es

      What he said ….

      Part of the new deal is that Championship club shareholders with more than 10% have to be made public now. Bate will find a way around it no doubt, then the league will close the loop hole and he’ll find another way to get out of it.

      We all know he owns it but doesn’t want to admit to it and the league are satisfied with the privately revealed information. If it’s within the FPP rules then I can’t see what all the fuss is about. Doesn’t affect us as fans really as long as they stay within the rules.

      • Sir Quej

        I have to agree with LSD&2Es. I really cant understand all this uproar about the fact that we dont have the specific names of the beneficial owners. Personally, I couldnt care less. Knowing their names would mean f@*k all to me to be honest.

        I really cant understand what people think this info will bring to their lives.

        TSS – Maybe you could fill me in on WHY having this info is so important. I think I must be missing something here….(And dont anyone say “Yes, a brain”)

        • timm

          Totally agree Sir Quej! As i’ve said before, our friends at Old Trafford are currently campaigning to get rid of the family that own the club, everyone knows the name of the family & no one can accuse them of not putting money in. These fans want to replace them with a consortium put together by self styled ‘Red Knight’ (piss poor name!)Keith Harris. Harris has already announced that he’ll be raising part of the funds by ‘tapping up’ mega rich scum fans around the world for a minimum of £10 million each. Two things are certain, firstly, some, if not most of them will want to remain anonymous. & secondly, all of them will want to see a return on their investment. So basically, they want to swap a family they know the identities of for a load of anonymous offshore investors! Oh the irony!! I’d love to see a new Leeds loving billionaire take us over tomorrow, but in the meantime, we’re promoted, we’re debt free, we beat scum on their own patch, & our chairman’s already discussing targets with his manager. Things aren’t so bad.

        • Hardylad

          Its this simple Bates owns the ground and thorpe arch. Leeds United pay 2million a year rent to the owner i.e Bates. Now do you see why he didnt want to but it back, and wht he doesnt want us to know!

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  • Steve L

    I point this out as a matter of information. Bates has spent an awful lot of time in the UK this past few weeks – as long as two straight weeks if one source is to be believed.

    It is a matter of speculation, of course, but perhaps he doesn’t envisage needing to be in the Uk so often down the line.

  • Matt BB

    The real issue here and it is standard tactics by Bates, is that if the investors are named then the whole thing will collapse. Lets be honest it was FSF who were insistent on Bates staying in charge when we were trying to leave administration. The football league know who our owners are and believe they are fit and proper, but they are not in a position to then take the information they know to HMRC or to the creditors all waiting for monies from Leeds.

    It suits people obviously for these people to stay un named, if promotion to the premier league or even to the championship means they have to be revealed Bates will no doubt find a way of keeping it all hush hush. Bates will no doubt publicly state that the owners are an investment group called…. FSF and it would be a breach of international law to release their names.

    I think that Bates will probably want to sell up shortly anyhow.

    • Steve L

      but they are not in a position to then take the information they know to HMRC or to the creditors all waiting for monies from Leeds.

      Not sure what you mean by that. Have you any evidence that the payments promised by FSF/Bates after buying the club haven’t been made?

      I’m pretty sure that we’d have heard about it if they haven’t.

      • Matt BB

        What I mean by that is that all Bates had to do was show the football league who the owners were. They havent then gone public – because they are not obliged to do so, additionally the woners anonymity is protected under Law in Nevis.

        If that information was sensitive, insofar as it were to invalidate the the terms under which we swerved our debt with the HMRC and other creditors it would only become an issue if they got hold of it. As we stand today, clearly they havent.

        • timm

          Is your issue Matt BB that you think Bates should have paid everyone 100p in the pound? Not only would that have been totally unprecedented but it would also have seen Leeds Utd wound up. The fact that creditors are paid a small amount of pence in the pound absolutely stinks in my opinion, but Ken Bates or Portsmouth or Southampton etc.. didn’t make that law up. Just like Bates or FSF didn’t make up the anonymity law. At least Bates made tough decisions such as closing the East Stand Upper & stopping student discounts & free tickets for all those fair weather phoneys in the directors box. Don’t get me wrong Matt, i want him gone too, but only if the right man for our club comes along.

          • Matt BB

            i dont have an issue with the offer per se, but lets for argument say that you had more money than you were letting on? and the only way of hiding it was to claim the business interests behind the club were insolvent? That when I would have an issue.

            Insolvencies happen all the time and they take huge chunks of cash out of the economy, what would HMRC give for the £7M now that Bates walked away from paying? thats NHS Staff salaries, new railway stations, the list goes on, but we’re all paying the price now.

          • timm

            Well it’s NHS staff salaries if you want it to be, or it’s money the government pisses away on ‘think tanks’ & benefits for benefit cheats if you want it to be. I wouldn’t mind seeing Peter Ridsdale being held accountable for bankrupting our club, instead of Bates being hammered for ‘turning the oil tanker around’.Judging by your comments, your issue lies with the lawmakers & not those who act within them. Whether or not it’s right is a different issue altogether.

    • DAVE

      What if and when the names were released our old friend Mr. Risdale were one of them, maybe that would explain why they don’t want anyone to know?

      • Matt BB

        Fair point, generally though rules are you cant have stakes in monre than a single club, if the football league had seen that they wouldnt have passed the fit and proper persons.

  • number1inyorkshire

    from the start of this season if the clubs agree any one with a 10% or more share of the club will have to be listed with the football league and on the clubs official website ,this is part of the new financial package and has already been voted on preliminary as a take it or leave it based on new parachute payments it will go on to be football league law in june .my own opinion its because they knew BATES was coming you know how the football leaague hates him and about time too .it does make sense it allows for a smooth transistion to clubs going up from championship to prem and is already their law ,cant wait to see the people who are not putting money into leeds

    • TheReaper08

      Here’s one for you that I haven’t seen mentioned and relates directly to one your quote ‘my own opinion its because they knew BATES was coming you know how the football leaague hates him and about time too’

      So we have established that the Football League and in particular the previous charman hate Bates, fact, everyone agreed. Well how do you propse the League would have reacted with the outrage of our administartion and subsequent court cases when under there rules Mr K Bates then had to declare himself the owner last year under the leagues rules.

      It’s easy, he isn’t declared as the owner, he can’t be or the league would have burned him/us last year. So you will learn ‘NOTHING’ from our return to the Championship regarding Bates official involvement, yes you might get some names out of this but it won’t be his I promise you.

      • number1inyorkshire

        ken bates clearly has no shares in leeds united agreed he swore in a jersey court and also the football league know the owners ???it also has to be said though that leeds united are probably the only club with unknown owners <i dont know that ,
        and your right none of those names will belong to bates ,but to say he has no coonection to any of those just cannot be true his wife for instance could own the shares ,or his brother ,now if that is seen to be true that would have broken at least administration laws ?i dont know that either it was said that ken bates takes nothing from leeds united if thats true well done to him .but can you see it ? would you ?
        what i suggest might happen when or if names are made public the likes of the guardian etc etc will do all they can to try and find a connection .i hope they dont find one because im pretty sure that no connection means exactly that if it turns out his gardener owns all the shares !would that be a connection? then it will go the shape of the pear as he would be in contempt and therefore wouldnt be fit and proper .is there also the the question the football league just do not beleive he does all he does for nothing ? names put forward maybe a smoke screen bates was a pain in the ass for the football league only the chairman has changed there will be
        people who still hate him there i also ended by saying it would make public the names of other people and i pretty much meant when i said about time too that hopefully this will bring this to a close .we can all move on .you are one of the few on here reaper who actually seems to like bates thats good ,i dont really care because to be honest he does not affect me in any way at all until the time he misses a pen against manu ? my allegiance is to the thing i pay my money towards the team
        I WILL SUGGEST FINALLY HE DESNT DO IT FOR THE LOVE NOW IT MIGHT TURN OUT TO BE FSF PAY HIM NOT LUFC BUT TO ME THATS STILL TAKING MONEY FROM LEEDS he also says he doesnt know who owns the club so how can he of registered them and who does he take his orders from

        • TheReaper08

          Not saying I don’t agree with you, that wasn’t my point. My point is the owners have already been declared to the football league and if that declaration had been one of the owners was Bates we would have been done.

          In all reality we won’t learn anything from this as I doubt that Mrs Bates is lisetd either.

          • number1inyorkshire

            me too i doubt that but you know i mean, this should all stop im fed up of it now you sound like you are too but my point really if ken bates has given names to the football league then there is no real reason why he shouldnt go public with those names .i actually dont mind bates either BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING IN IT FOR HIM .if not then we are all wrong and he should be massively applauded

          • timm

            I’ve just had a thought? There’s one way to put an end to all this ownership speculation. We should just get Les to give him a ring & ask him!

  • I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, as far as football clubs go for potential takeovers and investment, ours must be one of the most appealing. The fanbase both locally and more importantly worldwide, makes our club a lucrative proposition to any potential investor. The leeds united brand would be very easy to market, and I would be extremely surprised if we did’nt see a change of ownership over the Summer!!! Goodbye Papa Smurf!! lol

    • number1inyorkshire

      you are right this has always been the case in fact it would have been cheaper to buy a great brand in the league 1 so why hasnt someone taken a punt on our potential ,because bates is only selling 49% of the club so then you have to answer to ten thousand at f s f

      • TheReaper08

        Or it’s because in order to take over a league 1 club you need to have a genuine love for that club. Most club takeovers now are done by millionares with no connection to the club and operated as playthings. We simply haven’t been high profile enough, why buy a toy that no one can see and that isn’t currently prestigous enough.

        Now that might change with our return to the CCC but as no-one was interested first time round when we were here I suspect it will take a return to the PL before we all see the departure of Bates.

        • Well mate now that we’ve been stripped back to the bare bones, somebody might take a punt on us – i still maintain we’re much more marketable than all of the teams in the championship and most in the premiership

          • TheReaper08

            More marketable than most in the Championship yes, Premier League no. Don’t let your love for the club blind the fact that the PL is the most watched and best supported league in the world, the CCC is not even close.

            Ashley couldn’t shift Newcastle last season no matter how hard he tried.

  • Whitesforever

    what amazes me is all the ground improvements bates is doing lately if the ground is rented. why has he to pay for these, unless he is the owner we pay rent to, after all who ever we pay rent to is obliged to pay for improvements Mot.

    • timm

      Elland Road will be rented from the landlord on a F.R.I, this is a full repairing & insuring lease. The tenants are responsible for everything from putting the rat poison down, to putting a new roof on. This is perfectly standard on all commercial properties. If the tenants fail to keep the property up to scratch, then the landlord can evict them.

  • yorkwhite

    I know my memory is rather dodgy these days but does anyone else remember a report that said if Leeds returned to the premiership within five years of them going into administration they would again be responsible for most of their original debts? I know I read it somewhere but I can’t remember where. Still I guess that’s the price you pay if you can still remember Billy and the boys before they were champions. MOT.

    • number1inyorkshire

      several millions of what they call EMBARASMENT PAYMENTS to people who lost money at the time of admin

    • TheReaper08

      I think some of it is due upon return to the CCC and some more if we get to the PL.

    • West Stand Rebel

      £5 million is payable to creditor(s) should Leeds reach the Premier League by 2017 according to the accounts under an administration agreement.

      • Still a small price to pay in comparison with the wealth offered to any potential premiership member club. I’m leeds through and through and like the rest of you I’m sure would agree, its always been the fans that has suffered most. Just look at the joy and relief on the faces of those thousands of fans that ran onto the elland road pitch to see how much it means.

  • Mikelufc

    I find it hard to think past the fact that some peoe don’t appear to know the difference between “of” and “have”
    Not easy typing that at this time of night on an iPhone.
    Why is all this stuff being mulled over anyway?
    We are solvent, promoted, preparing for further promotion.
    What is the problem?

    • timm

      I know Mike, whatever topic we start off on, it always comes back to slagging off Bates! As i’ve said before, i’d like to see a takeover too, but not just by anybody. There,s a few of us who seem to spend a lot of our time trying to stop the site from just turning into a anti Bates site, & to be honest i think we’ve got enough of those. We then get called Bates lovers! This is definately not the case, but as we say, we’re promoted, we’re debt free & we beat Man Utd away! Things could be a hell of a lot worse.

      • TheReaper08

        TSS won’t thank me for this but the article is a bit of a joke. It’s whole point is that we will find out that Bates is actually the owner but as I mention above that can’t be the case. Ownership has already been declared to the FL and if it had been Bates we would have been in trouble again. It also doesn’t take into account that this rule will be in for the CCC so in order to escape this we needed to NOT get promoted this year (Did I miss something or are we not currently preparing for the CCC)

        Like a lot of anti Bates stuff it’s populist tub thumping to bring a certian type of person with a certain style of argument. If you wan’t to be anti something you should stick to known facts and campaign on those, season tickets, player investments, training ground etc.

        • politicsinfootball

          ok but when we know the facts and i would assume you know as much as anybody else we can all agree, you like everyone else only know what has been said in public which is nothing !ownership is one thing a connection to the people listed is another ,conection means any thing from friend to great aunt and bates has categorically denied he doesnt know who the owners are in any form so who does he work for ?has some one turned up and said i know we want to buy a club , let him put it into admin and we will insist he buys it back costing us millions .based on that they might aswell get the phone book out with a pin and choose .he had to have known who to approach or who approached him ,bates aint stupid he would have known where the money came from for his own safety
          .tss makes no secret of the fact its anti bates he rates himself up there with the best iam sure there will be like minded sites for people who are not it would be good to sart one .most people at leeds are anti bates asside from manu,liverpool who are hated because they have massive debts .newcastle because they didnt appoint a geordie as manager etc we have the only chairman that is hated at a club where he is making money .this is because of the percieved secrecy and i for one will be glad to see the back of him only because of the negativity he brings

          • TheReaper08

            You are right I do only know as much as you which is why I am quick to post replies that shoot down arguments that don’t exist.

            It is exactly for the reason that you say ‘Bates ain’t stupid’ that we will learn nothing of any note from this transparency rule. I will say again, if a connection to Bates could be made then the disclosure to the FL would have highlighted this and the sham administration and we would have faced more sanctions.

            Lastly because someone doesn’t buy every piece of propoganda doesn’t make them pro Bates.

    • squibble

      as in “would have” and “would of”? Pretty annoying.

  • Mark R

    TSS, can we have some healthy transfer talk … I see Rui has been released by SG, and Bogdanovic – the Barnsley striker – 14 goals last season is being linked with ourselves & Sheff Utd.

    Ta bud.

    • politicsinfootball

      here here a happy subject please

      • Well for a start I would’nt be going for that malteaser bogdanovic….theres a lot better than him we should be tryin to bring in…One other area in the team that is’nt talked about much and I believe we need quality is between the posts

        • Mark R

          Just read Bogdanovic is 30. For me we need to get the average age of the team to 25 or so – so hopefully SG is working on younger players.

          However there is a need for a Bobby Collins, Strachan type figure in midfield – a couple of key experienced players would help.

          • Sammy Becchio

            Have you all seen the released/retained list.

            Think it was fairly obvious, i love Rui though, wish he was staying, i bet he will have a good season for whoever he signs for!

  • Mark R

    Yeah .. seen Rui’s leaving. Shame I rated him as well, but he was hit by injuries, so perhaps he wasn’t able to contribute as much as we needed in the forthcoming season.

  • Timothy Wilson

    More disappointed in Caspers release, put up with a lot of shit and never whined about it, a good servant and in my mind our best keeper. Good luck to him.

    • Sammy Becchio

      Yeah, Caspers another one who i like, however, may be we are thinking with our hearts too much, at the end of the day we need to progress, and may be it was time for Casper and Rui to go, no matter how good of a servant they were to our club.
      Transfer gossip im hearing is, Nick Montgomery is meant to be pretty close to signing, hope so,i rate him.
      As for a Beckford replacement, i’ve seen rumours for Tamas Priskin, Heidiur Helguson, and Billy Paynter, which is fairly promising, not Bogdanovic though, hes awful, let the Blunts have him.

      • yorkwhite

        I agree, Casper may not be the best keeper we’ve ever had But he stuck by the club and gave it all he had. Good luck Casper sorry for all the crap some sections of our fans gave you and thanks for your efforts.

        • TheReaper08

          Here, here.

          • Mark R

            Casper the friendly Keeper .. gone. Ditto all the appreciation above . He’ll always have Man U in the FA Cup & Spurs away. Played a blinder in both. Thanks Casper and good luck.

            Lubo.. can’t believe it .. the tallest player on the books, told to find another club.

            He could see for miles and miles…. bet he didn’t see that coming.

      • Yeah i think billy paynter cud make the jump up a level, hes good at finding space and is strong enough to battle it out with opposing defenders…o yeah nearly forgot he can score too lol

  • Ross

    Not surprised by any of the releases / told to go to be honest whilst I have some fond memories of Lubo, Casper, Andy Robinson and even Sheehan. None performed well regularly and showed any signs of being able to play consistently at a higher level. The good news is it frees up 5 sets of wages for us to sign / loan players to freshen up the squad for next season, I am fairly confident in Grayson to replace them with better quality!

    Agree also that it really is unecessary to turn every comments section into a bates debate. (and as previosuly said that does not mean I am Pro bates!)

    On On On!

  • Charlie Big Potatoes

    I agree with the Lubo release, for all his meterage he never actually uses it. Weak in the tackle, surprising weak in the air, poor decision making and no assertiveness. Needs his hand holding by Naylor or Kisnorbo

    A liability for me! Probably on decent wages to boot being one of the few players we’ve actually paid for. In fairness he did look good on loan….before we signed him! (De-ja-vu)

    Do like Casper though, will be sorry to see him go but probably for the best though. He doesn’t half get some stick bless him! Would be nice to see a young up & coming British keeper between the sticks (The lad at Lincoln looks good, think Bolton are sniffing round him though. Maybe the what-his-chops at Coventry?)

    No mention of Dickov on the released list!!!!! (Unless he’s already packed his bags and skulked out on the hush)

    • Mark R

      Come on Charlie, was it really Lubo’s fault that his meterage (like that) meant his head was affected by cloud formations and upper atmosphere weather conditions, which unfortunately impeded his vision of the pitch. Hence the need for Paddy or Naylor to hold his hand.

      Charlie .. he was so tall he could see things no one else could…
      he was literally playing at a higher level !

      To be fair I’ve never met an assertive Slovakian so it could be just a national characteristic.

      Goodbye LUBO, the friendly meterologicaly challenged
      anti -footballing Slovakian.

      • Charlie Big Potatoes

        “he was literally playing at a higher level!” Lol!

        Harsh!….Ultimately fair.

        He’ll be presenting the “The sky at night” next year.

    • Craig

      Dickov was on loan and his contract was until the end of the season.

  • Would love to see someone like grella or somma step up to the plate, theres potential there, but unless that potential is produced on the field..whats the point?

  • politicsinfootball

    there are no surprises on that list for me ,there are some names not on it that do surprise me .i like many wish casper well ,as a footballing decision only i thought hughesy should have been on there and crowe i suppose the ghost that is dickov will go any way does anyone think doyle and mcsheffrey will be back ???????? doyle did ok but did not score any mcsheffrey played a blinder !in reserves against middlesbro.and bromby gets some kind of paralysis in his legs when he steps over half way line we had nothing going forward left or right back when white or parker were not playing .i like aidy white it would do him good to go to league 1 for a few months on loan

  • timm

    I feel for Casper too, it was obvious that SG never rated him though. I’d like to see him sign Westwood from Coventry & make Higgs no2. It’s interesting that they haven’t even bothered to make Beckford an improved offer, is that because they know he wants to leave? or is it because SG knows he can sign someone just as good for lower wages? I don’t suppose SG will miss all the love-hate stuff between JB & a section of the crowd either? Only worry re Robinson, Kandol etc..is that they’ll just sit in the reserves for the next 12 months picking up the big bucks. Apparantly, Robinson gets 15k a week & Lubo & Kandol are on big money too. We really need them off the payroll. Im really excited to see which striker we get though? We all seem agreed re Montgomery though for midfield.

    • Matt BB

      lubo and robinson are out of contract so no cost, I am sad to see Ankergren go, but Marques is 32 and wasnt any good in the championship last time, he has though been a big player for us in league one and i wish him well. I think Grayson knows who his targets are and we can probably expect to see a few more go. I dont think its right to name names or say who I think should go because they have all played a part in getting us out of this league.

  • timm

    Not sure you’re right on Robinson & Lubo Matt? As far as im aware & according to official website, Robinson, Lubo, Kandol & Sheehan have all been advised to find new clubs even though they’re still under contract.

    • politicsinfootball

      lubo ,robbo and sheehan are still contracted,so in theory they can stop in our reserves although its unlikely same i think with kandol.i think footballers want to play though ? montgomery could be our midfield general !!alright alright !he is a good championship player coventry keeper too would be good ,to be honest we need 2 at the sharp end that can score 20+ and becchio and a midfeilder to weigh in with some too

    • Sammy Becchio

      You’re right Timm, they are both under contract still.
      Don’t really want Crowe to stay, he’s not good enough and even though im not the biggest fan of Hughes, i’m kinda glad we offered him another year or so, he’s loyal and tries hard, definately not a first team player though.
      Anyone else agree that it would be good to have Sanchez Watt back for a full season?
      Westwood would be a very good signing, and a definate number 1 for us. How about getting Danny Rose back on loan? Think its a possibility?

    • Matt BB

      i stand corrected, michalik sheehan and kandol do still have a year to run on their deals. Though i cant see them not finding new clubs, swindon will want sheehan, millwall want kandol and tranmere robinson.

      • timm

        Tranmere boss said Robbo would be leaving as they can’t afford him. Parkinson at Charlton too said he can’t afford Kandols wages. This is my worry, would Robbo sign a 3 year deal with Tranmere for 2-3 grand a week or would he play in the reserves here for a year on 10 to 15k a week? He could sit tight here for a year & then go & get that same contract with Tranmere next year, & pick up an extra half a million quid for sitting tight. I have a feeling we might have to pay these players off? Im not sure about Harte? on one hand it doesn’t seem like a very positive signing, but on the other hand he’s scored more goals than Becchio this season & i bet he’s set a hell of a lot of goals up too?

  • Matt BB

    personally i think we might have a fight on our hands to keep becchio, i know middlesbrough were interested in him last year, same for bradley johnson.

    • timm

      I was really worried about Boro possibly pinching Snodgrass too, especially if Gary Mcallister does take the assistant manager job there. Im not as worried now we’re promoted though. I think we’re a bigger club than Boro.They made a massive mistake in sacking Southgate in my opinion.

      • Colin

        I agree – they shouldn’t have sacked Southgate. He must have had offers to come back onto the game, surely?

        If SG messes this up, you could see him on our radar.

  • Rumours say ian harte might return – great at set pieces but is lacking in pace, even more so than when he was with us first time round

  • Mark

    Dont worry. Becchio and Bradley Johnson will both sign contracts in the up coming weeks. Why would anyone move from Leeds to Middlesborough!!!

    • Colin

      Bradley Johnson = either occasionally brilliant or normally a liability.

      If I were SG I’d bite someone’s hand off if they put a half decent bid in for him.

      • TheReaper08

        I am inclined to agree. I think he has the talent he just doesn’t have the consistent application.

  • Colin

    My personal thoughts are that there is absolutely no chance of Harte coming back or Snodgrass joining Middlesborough. And there’s no way on this earth that they would sign Becchio – he’s no where near Middlesborough’s quality in their squad.

    I feel sorry for Casper because of one reason – i think he’s a better keeper than Higgs. Okay he flaps a lot, but he’s an awesome shot stopper and I reckon we’re going to get a lot of shots coming in on our goal next season. Higgs is 33 and not proven at Championship level. Leeds seriously need a top keeper for next season – Higgs ain’t it.

    Hughes getting a new contract is ridiculous – he’s a midfielder who couldn’t get a gig in midfield so was dropped to right/left back. Left back will be Parker or Aidy White next season so Hughes would be right back. He’d get destroyed on pace in the CCC.

    If that’s the only ones that Grayson is going to release then we’re in for one hell of a tight season – How are Naylor, Doyle, Crowe getting a reprieve??

    Personally I like Crowe, but SG wouldn’t play him this year so what chance does he have next season? If Hughes is getting a new contract then he’ll be right back.

    Remember – Vokes, Trundle, Dickov, Ephraim, McSheffrey – they were SG loans and all DISASTERS. Okay, Kisnorbo was inspired, but Collins, Bromby etc I’d say we’re average buys.

    I’m just worried that SG doesn’t have the calibre to spot the next Snodgrass which was an inspired move by Gary Mac.

    I really think that SG needs some big (CHampionship quality) new signings, otherwise Leeds will stuggle. Now I’m not bothered about Leeds struggling next year. That’s to be expected. But if Leeds are down the wrong end of the table then the pressure will be seriously on him to sort it out or he’ll be gone. I’m still not SG’s greatest fan but we need to stick with him. But if we’re near the bottom at the half way point, our board will get rid of him and that would cause all sorts of problems.

    • Good buys which would state our intentions would be Montgomery in midfield, Hooper or Paynter (or both!!) up front, jensen (goalie) from relegated burnley, and three decent defenders to bolster our defence and help paddy out

      • Colin

        and would we could we should we try for someone like David James as GK???????

        • if he takes a pay cut colin i’m sure he’d be very welcome – good goalies are hard to find

          • TheReaper08

            My brother in law designs his sports gear, I have signed England shirts and gloves from Jamo. If he even considers moving to Leeds I will confirm this to you ahead of any rumour, I promise.

    • politicsinfootball

      i agree with your transfer talk every single 1 of his loans have been a disaster except ,watt and when he ,had that great game against mk dons he didnt get on the pitch the next game .can i just mention blackpool grayson got them up like he did us ,he kept them up like he will us .but look at em now maybe in prem league next season now would our simon got em there ?????? i really like grayson i think he has the potential to be up there with the likes of revie and love him or loathe him oleary but there is a doubt i have and i guess im not alone !theres a niggle to be fair it is usually when i see him on tv (interviews)we do really need to sign some decent quality players on 3 year deals so they can gel a season and have a couple of real cracks at going up there are some good teams coming up to play the only saving grace is that 2 of the 3 coming down have spent their parachute payments and burnley seemingly have lost the plot with players so people will all start the same ,5th from bottom will do

      • Colin

        Only thing I’d say about Watt is that he’s probably played 180 minutes for Leeds if that – you can’t judge a player on that. He’s going back to Arsenal I’m sure.

        Snodgrass is RW so that means the only place for him would be up front – if he is of CCC Striker capability someone in the CCC would have picked him up before League 1 Leeds. He’ll go back to Arsenal and I don’t see him returning to Leeds. We couldn’t afford to sign him as a striker, he’s unproven as a striker and he won’t leave Arsenal.

        He’s no Beckford.

        • The whole issue about Grayson is farcical. The guy in my view is one of the best young managers around. And whats more hes Leeds United through and through. As regards dealings in the transfer market, well its plain to see hes never been given much of a transfer kitty to do much wheeling and dealing. Most of the players brought in have been loanees. I hope the guy is given a decent sum of money and then lets comment – Grayson can only be good for Leeds United football club

          • Just a quick follow up on the striker theme – I just heard Kris Boyd From Glasgow Rangers is out of contract this Summer – Grayson sign him up quality!

          • Colin

            Thing is that’s exactly what they said about McAllister and we got rid of him!

  • MinusAction

    Billy Sharp to replace Beckford for me, proven goalscorer at Championship level for Yorkshire clubs.

    Not sure if i would be too sad to lose Snoddy,unless he learns to cross.

  • les

    now now mr reaper you wouldnt be name dropping now would you tut tut !!!!LOL
    ONLY JOKING

    • TheReaper08

      I am les you are right although I don’t admit to knowing David James , I get lot’s of memorabilia from my brother in law. I have a match ball from the CCC play off final we played in, several England balls.

      What I eluded to the other day as well is that my dad was briefly with Villa and was laterly a star of non league football, my uncle played for amongst others Coventry, Arsenal, WBA, Wolves & West Ham and my cousin played for amonsgt others Coventry and Celtic.

      I am the talentless one in the family.

      • les

        football memorabillia is amazing and 1 of my pasions too it drives my other half mad although i do tend to stick to leeds stuff .my greatest possesion although some may differ is lucas radebe testamonial stuff .i tend to create my own stuff as a semi proffessional photographer i have some stuff that are limited editions of 1 created by me .my son was mascot when we were in champs when we beat preston at home(healy )he has some great stuff of that day

        • les

          so how come your a leeds fan if you are part of that dynasty im glad you are but you know what i mean

          • TheReaper08

            I am a southerner but my Gran lived in Yorkshire, I travelled up all the time as a kid and loved going up to visit her, most of my family are either Spurs or Liverpool fans except my Mum who supports Everton.

            I wanted to support a team from Yorkshire so I picked Leeds after we visited, that was 28 years ago and I haven’t looked back since, far as I am concerned one of the best decisions I ever made.

  • Heres some of the championship players who have reached the end of their contracts this summer – forgive the length I just cut and pasted onto the page – chances are we might see a few of these boys running out in a white shirt come august

    Palace

    20 Danny Butterfield First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    4 Shaun Derry First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    21 Kieran Djilali First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    22 Johannes Ertl First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    3 Clint Hill First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    15 Lee Hills First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    9 Stern John First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    17 Matt Lawrence First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Barnsley

    10 Daniel Bogdanovic First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    5 Hugo Colace First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    15 Anderson Silva: Anderson Silva De França First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    23 Mounir El Haimour First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    3 Rob Kozluk First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    21 Jonathan Macken First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    4 Darren Moore First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Blackpool

    20 Alhassan Bangura First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    16 Hameur Bouazza First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    9 Ben Burgess First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    3 Stephen Crainey First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    27 Ishmel Demontagnac First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    24 Rob Edwards First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    18 Jason Euell First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    21 Matthew Gilks First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    14 Joe Martin First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    8 Stephen McPhee First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    23 Daniel Nardiello First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    10 Brett Ormerod First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Bristol City

    6 Louis Carey First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    13 Steve Collis First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    4 Liam Fontaine First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    8 Lee Johnson First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    3 Jamie McAllister First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    5 Jamie McCombe First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    6 Louis Carey First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Cardiff

    2 Tony Capaldi First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    24 Miguel Comminges First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    20 Peter Enckelman First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    26 Warren Feeney First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    3 Mark Kennedy First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    16 Joe Ledley First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2011
    4 Gavin Rae First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Coventry

    32 Ashley Cain First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    35 Jordan Clarke First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    3 Marcus Hall First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    13 Dimitrios Konstantopoulos First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    11 Clinton Morrison First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    2 Stephen Wright First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Derby

    17 Jake Buxton First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    3 Jay McEveley First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    18 Ben Pringle First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    11 Gary Teale First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Doncaster

    24 Mustapha Dumbuya First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    7 Lewis Guy First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    12 James Hayter First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    21 Sam Hird First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    11 Adam Lockwood First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    18 Sean McDaid First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    16 John Oster First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    3 Gareth Roberts First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    13 Ben Smith First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    1 Neil Sullivan First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    15 Mark Wilson First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    33 Gary Woods First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Ipswich

    33 Ben Thatcher First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    2 David Wright First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    1 Richard Wright First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Leicester

    7 Nolberto Solano: Nolberto Albino Solano Todco First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Middlesbrough

    6 Emanuel Pogatetz First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    5 Chris Riggott First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    12 Chris Killen First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    23 Jonathan Grounds First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Newcastle

    21 Fabrice Pancrate First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    07 Nicky Butt

    Forest

    37 Brendan Moloney First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Peterbrough

    17 Jamie Day First Team In contract until 30/Jun/201013
    James McKeown First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    Shaun Batt

    Plymouth

    27 Lloyd Saxton First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    16 David McNamee First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    1 Romain Larrieu First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    31 Yoann Folly First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    2 Karl Duguid First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    36 Yala Bolasie First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Preston

    14 Liam Chilvers First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    5 Youl Mawene First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    7 Chris Sedgwick First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    QPR

    10 Ákos Buzsáky First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    4 Gavin Mahon First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    15 Nigel Quashie First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    14 Martin Rowlands First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    3 Damion Stewart First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Reading

    6 Brynjar Gunnarsson First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    16 Ivar Ingimarsson First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    25 Gylfi Sigurðsson First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Scunny

    6 Cliff Byrne First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    14 Jonathan Forte First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    9 Paul Hayes First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    22 Josh Lillis First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    17 Ben May First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    8 Grant McCann First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    5 Kenny Milne First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    7 Matthew Sparrow First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    4 Sam Togwell First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    3 Marcus Williams First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Sheff Utd

    13 Ian Bennett First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    37 Henri Camara First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    33 Jonathan Fortune First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    26 Derek Geary First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    15 James Harper First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    25 Glen Little First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    4 Nick Montgomery First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    3 Gary Naysmith First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Sheff Wed

    Akpo Sodje
    18 Leon Clarke First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    11 Etiënne Esajas First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    33 Michael Gray First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    9 Francis Jeffers First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    23 Jermaine Johnson First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2011
    8 Sean McAllister First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    22 Richard O’Donnell First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    20 Frankie Simek First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    2 Tommy Spurr First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Swansea

    23 Guillem Bauzà: Guillermo Bauzà Mayol First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    7 Leon Britton First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    28 Thomas Butler First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2011
    25 Matty Collins First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    27 Mark Gower First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    10 Andrea Orlandi: Andrea Orlandi Stabilin First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    26 Albert Serrán: Albert Serrán Polo First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    11 Cedric van der Gun First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    Watford

    17 Dale Bennett First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    6 Jay DeMerit First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    28 John Eustace First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    15 Jon Harley First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    18 Will Hoskins First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    16 Richard Lee First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    31 Marvin Sordell First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    West Brom

    29 Andwelé Slory First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    20 Filipe Teixeira: Filipe de Andrade Teixeira First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010
    Jonathan Greening
    3 Gary Naysmith First Team In contract until 30/Jun/2010

    • TheReaper08

      Not a great deal grabbing me there Tim although I don’t disagree with you, it’s just a question of how many of them we go for.

      • Aye reaper again like many others i would be very surprised if we saw much in the way of transfer fees paid out this summer – funny joe ledley’s name had been bandied about not that long ago as the next great thing – his contract is up and hes still at Cardiff – i’m bemused

        • kevin parish

          what about that midfielder that cscored two goals for dundee utd on sat.good young solid, scottish left sided attack minded surely worth a look