The ups and downs of LUFC: MK Dons, Ben Parker, Kis, Snoddy and Becchio TSS April 26, 2010 Leeds United 83 Comments MK Dons appeal for Doumbe The first of three sendings off at Elland Road this weekend is to be appealed by Milton Keynes after the ref involved received criticism from pretty much everyone in attendance. Whilst the red card Doumbe received arguably did little to alter the course of the game, the decision was a harsh one that could potentially leave the player with a four match ban. When the referee wasn’t handing cards out like it was the 25th of December, he was denying Leeds United what seemed like clear cut penalty decisions. When Max Gradel was brought down in the box, the decision seemed to be an easy one but the referee gave nothing and play continued. Whilst a dodgy penalty decision isn’t unusual in football, the same referee had earlier booked Bradley Johnson as Leeds were denied another penalty shout. I can’t argue against the decision to book Brad, but is it too much to ask for consistency? Either Gradel was play-acting and should be booked or it was a penalty. Doing nothing showed the referee for the useless official he was, and it’s with that in my mind I wish Doumbe and MK Dons every luck in their appeal. Ben Parker awaits news Another reminder of our 4-1 victory over MK Dons comes from the official Leeds United website where Simon Grayson reveals that the club are still waiting for news on Ben Parker’s injury. The youngster made his return to the starting XI against the Dons but was taken off in an emotional state, with what looked like a season ending injury, after what has been a horrible injury-plagued season for the young left-back. Whilst we wait on the outcome of Ben’s scan, I’m sure I speak on behalf of every Leeds United fan around the world in wishing him well. I know he’s had an extremely tough time of it this year and is raring to get back to full fitness. Hopefully this will prove to be only a minor setback. Snoddy and Kis line-up in team of the year Two Leeds United players have made the PFA League One team of the year and neither are likely to cause any shocks. Robert Snodgrass’ inclusion is definitely merited in my opinion as the Scot can quite often be our only consistent threat from midfield, But it’s Patrick Kisnorbo who deserves the most praise in my mind. Paddy received rave reviews from myself and all the other Leeds United fan sites throughout the year and his absence has been a major blow for us. After a fantastic season, it was a real shame that the Aussie’s injury ruled him out of the World Cup this summer as no one else in our current squad deserves to be there more than him. Becchio in L1 team of the week Whilst some awards are easy to understand, the Football League’s team of the week has seldom been one of them. A constant joke of an idea all season that shows those involved have watched none of the games before making the selection. This week, Leeds United’s almost compulsory place goes to Luciano Becchio – a player whom I’m sure most fans will agree has done well for us recently. Unfortunately – and despite the goal – Saturday wasn’t one of those occasions. He was always involved and had plenty of shots, but for the sheer amount of opportunities he missed, his selection is laughable. Meanwhile, the player who really did deserve a place, Sanchez Watt, fails to receive any recognition from the paper shufflers at Football League HQ. I’m sure he won’t lose too much sleep over it mind as I expect most of the players find it as laughable as the fans. TheReaper08 Can I start by saying Paddy Kis is my player of the season so far, what a signing he was and one that makes a mockery of the ‘you can’t sign anyone decent for free’ brigade. A real leader on the pitch I remember speaking to some Swindon fans after the first game against them who told me he was the only player who gave it his all. A testament to his team attitude is that he is still turning up to every game home and away, right now with all his disappointments you couldn’t blame the guy for just hiding at home. On Ben Parker let’s all hope for good news after the scan, he is young enough and strong enough to come back and be a top left back for many many years. TSS I was planning to run a player of the season poll in a couple of weeks, but tempted to just declare Kis as the winner and have done with it. I don’t think there’s one fan with a bad word to say about him, which is something you never see at Elland Road. TheReaper08 What about instead of a poll a discussion about which player of the last 20 years or so would you most like to see lining up again now in a white shirt ? Have you done something like that before cos if not I reckon that would provoke quite some debate. Got the idea whilst watching Jimmy Milner getting the PFA young player of the year award. TSS That’s not a bad idea that Reaper. Will definitely use that during close-season tedium when there’s nothing to talk about. Thanks. Lee Coward Save yourself the bother, Kis is the man! macadamia_man Came to us to play with and against the best quality he could find while still getting the regular first team football he had to score to get in the Oz World Cup squad. What a shite return for his attitude, commitment, motivational and defensive skills and football brain. I’d love to see someone count up all the times this season his was the last ditch block or tackle that saved a shot reaching the keeper or net or frightened the life out of the striker lining it up. And all that carrying a wacking great head-cut scar. Kis – hope you get well soon and reap all the rewards you deserve next season. Grumpy Older Man You know something TSS its time you sort help on your Becchio problem… TSS What, you mean “a player whom I’m sure most fans will agree has done well for us recently.” Becchio missed so many chances on Saturday it was painful. This is one of the reasons used for your own personal vendetta against Becks, so I’m finding it laughable you’d criticise someone else for using the same criteria to assess another players performance. Meanwhile, Jermaine Beckford came on and scored two in fifteen minutes. Something Becchio wasn’t going to manage in 150 after his boots developed some kind of propulsion mechanism that sent the ball sailing into the air on contact. In all seriousness, I have nothing against Becchio whatsoever, but blindly defending him when he hasn’t played well would be ridiculous. My point to the above was actually more about how other players were much more deserving of a place in the team of the week than he was, but since the FL people don’t actually watch the games, they wouldn’t know. TheReaper08 Bravo, bravo. Couldn’t have put any better if I had a year to think about it. timm Totally agree TSS. I like Becchio but the fact is that he can trap a ball further than i can kick one! Mark R We’ve had a bad run of injuries this season especially affecting the defence.Wonder how many players we’ve used in the 1st team this season? In Higgs,Crowe,Paddy,Rui,& Parker a whole back line has been disrupted since Higg’s injury.Naylor also early in the season – & not been the same since his return. If they’d had remained injury free and had a chance to cement a solid defence by playing longer together I think we would have given Norwich a bloody nose and taken the title. Don’t think any other team would have had the squad to cope with same injuries & stay in contention for automatic promotion with 2 matches to go. Becks & Bechio also have had their season disrupted to some extent with injury. Anyway good to see Sanchez have a positive impact last Saturday. Team of the year without 30 goal Becks … how does that work ? Keep up the good work TSS . Craig You want proof that the team of the year is a total joke? It includes Ian Harte! OK, his freekicks are something else but he was terrible in defence against us! Not sure I would quibble about leaving 30 goal Becks out though when there’s a 30 goal Holt + a 34 goal Lambert in instead. TheReaper08 That’s only one game though Craig, also worth noting that Harte has got 16 league goals from defence, that’s more than our entire midfield ! Craig OK, but how many of those were free kicks? A slow defender who scores plenty of free kicks may help save you from relegation but isn’t going to be enough to mount a promotion push. Making a place in the Team of the Season should surely be suggesting there are no better defenders in other teams? TheReaper08 It works more by looking at the value of that individual to the team they play for and outstanding contribution. Whether we like it or not the greatest measure used to judge any footballer in these polls is creativity or goals. It is why the World player of the year, PFA player of the year etc. etc. is rarely a defender and never a goalkeeper. macadamia_man “but he was terrible in defence against us” and for us for the last couple of seasons. Not his fault really – there’s no point playing fullback in the Prem without pretty potent foot speed . . . If you’re tall, a great game reader and a good header, ok, a slow centreback is a possibility, but fullback? Timmo Initial reports said Watt came off injured. True or not? I’d like to see him get another run out at Charlton TSS Yeah, he pulled up but nothings been mentioned since so must have just been cramp or whatever. I’d assume he’d have gone straight back to Arsenal otherwise. Craig It would certainly be good to have both Watt + Gradel running at the Charlton defence. colet In my mind there is no doubt, one way or another we would have been already celebrating promotion if Kis had been fit, the team lost the will to live when he went off against Millwall!!, all them sloppy goals since would not have happened, we love him to bits!! i’ve spoken with away fans and they say “that guy is summet special” Pingback: Tweets that mention The ups and downs of LUFC: MK Dons, Ben Parker, Kis, Snoddy and Becchio -- Topsy.com() West Stand Rebel TSS must ask if you intend giving recognition to my remarks yesterday you clearly copied re the Max Gradel non penalty and poor referreing decisions. Don’t mind you agreeing with me but….do I need copyright when blogging? TSS Haha, I don’t mind acknowledging that it was others who pointed that out to me, although friends I was with at the game actually mentioned it at the time. There was so many bad decisions made by that ref it was easy to forget individual ones when writing the match report, but your comments did indeed remind me of that particular one. GrayMatters eddie gray pointed it our on the radio too so it wasnt just you wsr West Stand Rebel Ah a wealthy man with DAB radio or in the Minster FM reception area.Eddie was always a first class commentator just wish he was still on radio Leeds. Perhaps I should start a campaign for his return. TheReaper08 I don’t like to predict peoples wealth West Stand Rebel and I know things are tough for a lot of folks these days but you can pick one up for £35 or less these days. I have one in the garage for football and the quality is brilliant. On a side note in a previous career I worked on the development of some of the first DAB radio’s back in 1993. If you can get one you should not just for our commentaries but for the overall quality. timm I know it’s not footy related but BBC 6music on DAB is the best radio station ever & that fool at the BBC, Mark Thompson should resign now for even thinking of scrapping it! We’ll fight you all the way Thompson you prick! Sorry lads, i just had to get that off my chest! Craig How can you hear a Leeds game on a DAB radio living in Swindon Reaper? The only way I can do it living in Norfolk is to hope that someone is streaming it on the internet. TheReaper08 I don’t Craig I listen via satellite, I was just presuming that West Stand Rebel was close enough. I am a football anorak, I listen to local, national and stations such as five live and talksport on mine. Side Before Self I’ve got to give credit to becchio. He’s been playing second fiddle to becks for two seasons but he’s kept his head down, kept bullying defences and doing all jermaines donkeywork and finnally I think he’s getting the credit he deserves from the fans that complained that he didn’t score enough goals. I know he missed a hatfull against the franchise but he’s improving. I think it’s done him the world of good to be thrust into the leading striker role and I think his recent goalscoring run backs that up. Craig I hope you’re right. I really like Becchio’s attitude – except for his incessant diving! Mark R Me too Craig. But I think he’s been most effective when playing with Becks. les as it happens teams of the week ,season .or whatever are all a matter of opinion,love or loathe him beckford has scored 30 goals so he would be on the bench in any such team .one thing for certain is the thing all leeds fans agree on is thay paddy kisnorbo is our player of the season and in my opinion should be our team captain,if he is injury free when he comes back and is in the same form he has been for us this season he could well reach the same levels in leeds folklore as radebe .who is a true leeds legend .we all wish him well and from october next season hopefully he will be firing on all cylinders .just whilst in talking captains ,and the stats tell the story that our best form this season was when jonny howson was captain and again in my opinion he should have been left in that position and the first match he wasnt captain his form definately dropped .a captain in midfield is the best way forward .can i just ask anyone who reads their opinion on our out of contract players (not beckford ) cheers all Craig The question of captaincy is going to be a tricky one. Firstly there’s the choice to remove it from Naylor – OK that is probably a bullet that has to be bitten but it can’t be an easy choice nevertheless. Then there’s the question of whether you give the armband to a player who is notoriously injury-prone, seems a slow healer and will definitely not be back until October. Its a decision I’d not like to make. Irving08 Re: Howson – agreed. He needs to assert himself more and making him captain helped him to do this. I regard it as a failure of management taking the arm band away from him. I think SG may well rue the day he brought Naylor back into the side and demoted Howson -who along with Johnson should have been our midfield all season instead of one pace Doyle and ‘flatter to deceive’ Kilkenny. les just a small matter about D A B i think that the leeds games should be on fm for free to the people who just cant afford to go to games ,or the elderly or infirm or for the smelly who you wouldnt want sitting next to you at E R .that said D A B is great however the leeds united match coverage on yorkshire radio is little better than hospital radio .bates is missing a trick the lot down the road at hudderfield let radio leeds in through a link on their website ,thats free bbc advertising etc .and yorkshire radio lost a million quid last year ,we are bailing it out timm Good point on Kisnorbo Les, i definately think he could achieve ‘Lucas status’ too. Dazzler17 All the platitudes for Kisnorbo are well deserved, and as an Aussie my hopes for World Cup success took a big drop upon learning of his injury. This bloke has thrown everything into each game for the Whites, and his committment surely will see him rememebered fondly at Elland Rd for years to come. If only other’s had followed his lead…..There will be another chance at a World Cup for you Paddy, chin up mate. Matt BB Kisnorbo has certainly been player of the year for me, but arent we being unfair to Beckford 30 goals and everyone still hates him? I think if I scored 30 goals for leeds, had a barren spell and then got booed by the fans I might make a gesture to the crowd. Lets be honest, without Kis’s defending, and beckfords goals we wouldnt be where we are. TheReaper08 I think if Becks had kept his business quiet in January, retained even a modicum of form there on then he would have been a top candidate for player of the season. I am one of his most fervent admirers but because of the above not even I can advocate him receiving such an award. Which in the end makes it easy as I can find a reason to not give the award to every other player except Kisnorbo. timm I think everyone appreciates what he’s done for us, but to put in a transfer request on the eve of the Man Utd game is ill advised to say the least. I don’t think it’s unforgivable though?.What was unforgivable was Alan Smith letting the fans carry him around the pitch on their shoulders & then going off & signing for the scummers!Beckford’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer but he’s certainly no Judas. Craig There’s a very interesting article in the Grauniad on whether promotion to the CCC might force Bates to reveal who owns our club: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/apr/27/leeds-united-mystery-owners? It provides more ammunition for those out there who think Bates has a vested interest in keeping us in league 1. TheReaper08 Heck Craig looks like you have a touch of Reaper disease this morning where your brain moves quicker than your fingers, ‘Grauniad’. On a sensible note I read the article this morning and it won’t prevent our chairman wanting promotion as in order to maximise his return on the club he still needs us playing at a higher level. Craig You obviously weren’t a Private Eye reader some years ago. The Guardian was noted for its multitude of typos and they used to run a column listing the latest spelling mistakes and other mistakes. The magazine referred to the Guardian as The Grauniad. TheReaper08 No I have to be honest Private Eye has never been on my ‘must read’ list so that’s a new one on me. Still they say you learn something new every day, they don’t say the something new will be useful ! Craig the day is yet young – perhaps the useful fact is still waiting in the wings! timm Blimey Reaper! Maybe the FL read our posts last week re it being the fault of the FL & it’s silly rules, & a minor tweak by them is all that’s needed to get this transparency thing sorted.Who’d have thought it Reaper? You & me responsible for getting the ’10 for Kenners’ the outcome they’ve been so badly wanting! Dje Great news on Somma staying an extra year at Elland Road. Timely boost to moral one hopes! Dje Lol. I meant ‘morale’. Matt BB totally agree, i know i have received many a jibe, but i think somma will prove to be an excellent striker. I wish we’d sent grella out on loan as i think that would have boosted his confidence. Mark R I don’t hate Beckford,Matt BB. 30 goals is a good achievement . He did set expectations high, and as Reaper comments his disloyal talk in January coloured the rest of the season.It may have been is agent but no smoke without fire. Paddy K. has been a Championship player, in a League One team. He is quality and if fit I’d agree with his candidacy for Captain. But returning in October will be tricky. Until then I’d go for the tallest man on the books – LUBO Mic-hahacanhekick. Other than Paddy, a midfielder for Captain – and it may be a new arrival in the role of wee Gordon Strachan.I don’t think Howson is motivational or strong enough to be Captain.Too young at the moment – one for the future. Most likely it’ll be names in a hat and Dickov will get the job ! MOT TheReaper08 Well it obviously has to be Andy Hughes……doesn’t it ? TSS If we’re picking the tallest then that has to be Lubo. I’ve met the bloke and he’s enormous. But, why the tallest? Why not the fattest? Are we discriminating against Bradley Johnson? TheReaper08 I wasn’t advocating the tallest as I agree with you it’s a total no contest with Lubo in the squad. I just put forward Andy Hughes as a laugh and waiting for the inevitable onslaught. Hughes for Captain !!!! TSS We really haven’t thought this through at all. The greatest captain we ever had was the shortest on the pitch (Billy) so surely we should be thinking more in terms of Mad Max? Craig You’re in danger of contradicting your comments on Hughes in the previous thread Reaper. If you bear in mind what you said there – that Hughes isn’t a defender and is right footed and that he gives his all for the team and add to that the fact that Norwich fans were sad to see him leave because he showed the same attitude there and protected the defence admirably (his best position), there is actually an argument for making Hughes captain. Craig Forgive me for the extra-long sentence! I’m not arguing the case for Hughes as captain by the way, just playing devil’s advocate really. Mark R Nice one Reaper. TSS can we have a survey on the following candidates suitability for Captain: LUBO DICKOV Hughes Ta. TheReaper08 I don’t think I am contradicting myself, I haven’t offered an opinion merely put forward a suggestion that I thought would provoke a reaction. Let me be clear, I like Andy Hughes. He does a thankless task for our team and as far as I am aware would play in goal if you asked him. TSS Sure Mark, I’ll run a poll later this week. Will add other candidates too. timm Definately Hughesy for Captain in Paddys absence, & im actually being serious! Hope Naylor doesn’t come on this site, he’s not even in the running! Craig On what basis do you choose the tallest player as captain? Do you think the extra few inches brings a better perspective on the game? A captain has to be a man who can read a game and exert influence on the team. Usually this would also point to the need for wisdom and intelligence but since this would rule out most footballers I’m willing to pass on those requirements. I too think someone like Strachan is a priority but they are few and far between. Mark R Tallest as he has the best view of what is going on around the pitch and as vice Captain the smallest to see what’s happening at knee level. You Know it makes sense Craig. However TSS has quite rightly pointed out that I may have been discriminating against the rotund – and to be honest I can only apologise to Pastry Jonhnson. …Pass the dandelion and burdock. TheReaper08 Ahh back on the old dandelion and burdock I see. I haven’t been to a live game since Colchester for one reason or another, I take it the slim fast shakes aren’t working for Bradley then ? Mark R Who was the big bloke for Newcastle – the forward in the late 80’s – was it Mick Quinn? Defenders would bounce off his largess. I think Bradley should go even further and put a bit more weight on. Oh …no way Reaper … you can’t take back Hughesy for Captain, not now bud….it’s in black and white. However I agree he is a solid character and does give his all. Gotta give up the D&B…is there a helpline I can call ?? Mark TheReaper08 I am not taking him back Mark, in fact I am declaring myself Hughesy’s campaign manager ! A selfless man that is always side before self, totally dedicated to the white cause blah blah blah…. timm Howson one for the future? He’s not that young Mark. A lot of Leeds fans use that line in his defence simply because he’s from Morley. There’s plenty of players younger than him making their mark around the leagues. Howson brings nothing to that team & i’d give him one more season to prove himself before looking at shipping him out. Mark R Meant ‘One for a future transfer’ Timm . Seriously he blows hot and cold for me and I was surprised when he was passed the armband. I tend to think out of the rough and tumble of League One he just might come into his own in the CCC or PL. He did ok vs. MU in the FAC. Needs a lot more consistency . Matt BB I would certainly think he is a ntural captain, but has it been noted by any others that Howson was a brilliant captain? I think perhaps we need to realise that and make it official? I saw in the YEP that we were considering signing Nick Montgomery – that would be an excellent signing and he would be a nailed on Captain in my eyes. Craig I expect the rumour is simply because he’s another Leeds born lad. Mark R Reapermy friend , If that’s the case I am now declaring myself at LUBO’s campaign manager. May the tallest man win . MOT TSS Well, if we’re going to have a campaign, I’m going to manage Mad Max Gradel. Mark R Can we have a web televised debate ? TSS Sure, why not. Just give me chance to finish my new ‘Mad Max 4 Captain’ banners that will adorn every inch of TSS within the next few hours and I’ll contact the TV peeps. TheReaper08 Well then Mark R I accept the challenge, let the campaign banter begin ! By the way how long before someone starts having a go at us over our ‘selection’ of candidates. TheReaper08 Looks like based on the post above I can count on timm’s support, if you can just confirm your intentions to support the ‘Hughes for Captain’ campaign timm then we can discuss a pivotal role for you. timm Count me in Reaper. Vote for change-Vote Hughes! Craig In the absence of Kis I’m not sure I can think of anyone better suited than Hughes. Mark R FOR a TALLER LEEDS .. VOTE LUBO…who was not tainted by the Gillingham Away Fiasco,as he didn’t even make the bench. Craig There is, of course, a reason why Lubo didn’t make the bench – he’s a very poor defender. I’ve never heard of a captain being appointed who isn’t likely to make it onto the pitch – although I suppose it gives him the opportunity to sit in a box seat and get an even higher view of the game! TheReaper08 For a more flexible play anywhere play anytime approach vote Hughes for Captain. Rarely will you find a more sefless, more team orientated or more hairy man than Andy Hughes. Vote Hughes,he makes Man Utd attackers look ordinary, you know it make sense. Pete In that case, may I be considered for the role of campaign manager for the group ‘Captain Kilkenny – the Real Alternative’? Do you want a procession of captains who don’t treat possession of the football as a privelige given to few? – NO Do you want a captain who won’t be in South Africa for the World Cup? - Pete NO Do you want a captain who used to play for Oldham? – YES (Seriously??) Then vote Neil Kilkenny for captain – why the hell not?