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	<title>Comments on: Lord Mahwinney&#039;s reign can only be seen as an epic failure</title>
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		<title>By: TheReaper08</title>
		<link>http://www.thescratchingshed.com/2010/03/lord-mahwinneys-reign-can-only-be-seen-as-an-epic-failure/#comment-3488</link>
		<dc:creator>TheReaper08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be &#039;exploit&#039; as opposed to &#039;expoit&#039; but my guess is you werenot picking upon my spelling.

My point is actually in reference to non disclosure of owners. Bates doesn&#039;t have to declare who owns the club under football league rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be &#8216;exploit&#8217; as opposed to &#8216;expoit&#8217; but my guess is you werenot picking upon my spelling.</p>
<p>My point is actually in reference to non disclosure of owners. Bates doesn&#8217;t have to declare who owns the club under football league rules.</p>
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		<title>By: West Stand Rebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>West Stand Rebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin a football club is company like any other. If it&#039;s a busted flush like Leeds was with massive debts then why take it on. Bates knew that when he &quot;bought&quot; it not of course with any of his own money.The club should have been wound up there and then. The brand could have been sold to the highest bidder and the slate cleaned. Instead we are years down the line having still gone bust with the same &quot;owner&quot; or fund manager at the helm....some saviour.
The &quot;Goons&quot; at Liverpool and Man Utd may run into difficulties one day so be it. At that point they should as I say not be allowed to be directors of a football club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin a football club is company like any other. If it&#8217;s a busted flush like Leeds was with massive debts then why take it on. Bates knew that when he &#8220;bought&#8221; it not of course with any of his own money.The club should have been wound up there and then. The brand could have been sold to the highest bidder and the slate cleaned. Instead we are years down the line having still gone bust with the same &#8220;owner&#8221; or fund manager at the helm&#8230;.some saviour.<br />
The &#8220;Goons&#8221; at Liverpool and Man Utd may run into difficulties one day so be it. At that point they should as I say not be allowed to be directors of a football club.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only problem with that is the owners who are in charge when a club goes into admin are often the ones who are left holding the baby. Like at Luton - the current owners came in to sort it out, but it was previous ownership that really caused all the problems.

And it won&#039;t stop the goons like Taksin Shinawatra, Glazers, Gillette and Hicks and fake sheiks taking over clubs and taking out huge loans on the club. If the loans can&#039;t be repayed, the owners will be all right, but the club is up for sale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only problem with that is the owners who are in charge when a club goes into admin are often the ones who are left holding the baby. Like at Luton &#8211; the current owners came in to sort it out, but it was previous ownership that really caused all the problems.</p>
<p>And it won&#8217;t stop the goons like Taksin Shinawatra, Glazers, Gillette and Hicks and fake sheiks taking over clubs and taking out huge loans on the club. If the loans can&#8217;t be repayed, the owners will be all right, but the club is up for sale.</p>
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		<title>By: West Stand Rebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>West Stand Rebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My feeling about Bates and the situation at the Club when he came in was that the inevitable i.e. Administration wss merely being postponed. When things conspired against Bates with relegation to the third tier for the first time in our history becoming a certainty he pressed the button. He did this in the knowledge that the creditors could now be legitimately screwed. This devise is quite common in business practice and Bates was a past master at it.
Of course the biggest debt was to Revenue and Customs. Vat collected from fans at the gate and in the shop and PAYE and National Insurance deducted from staff and players salaries.
One solution I have been pondering and I believe the Football League should consider is that any board of directors who take a club into administration should serve an automatic 5 year ban from involvement of any kind in a football club. Any close relatives should also be banned at the same time from reowning the club their relatives put into administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My feeling about Bates and the situation at the Club when he came in was that the inevitable i.e. Administration wss merely being postponed. When things conspired against Bates with relegation to the third tier for the first time in our history becoming a certainty he pressed the button. He did this in the knowledge that the creditors could now be legitimately screwed. This devise is quite common in business practice and Bates was a past master at it.<br />
Of course the biggest debt was to Revenue and Customs. Vat collected from fans at the gate and in the shop and PAYE and National Insurance deducted from staff and players salaries.<br />
One solution I have been pondering and I believe the Football League should consider is that any board of directors who take a club into administration should serve an automatic 5 year ban from involvement of any kind in a football club. Any close relatives should also be banned at the same time from reowning the club their relatives put into administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But a sweetener nonetheless...

One thing I have learned through life Mike is that no one is ever as bad (or as good) as we imagine. When Ken Bates took over the reigns at Leeds so many &#039;fans&#039; went on the warpath not at Bates himself but at their idea of Bates: He was previously associated with Chelsea (enter tribal hatred); he took a gamble and became obscenely rich (stirs up jealously); he tends to be bombastic and to believe his own publicity (being honest I would like something of his self-belief); he knows how to play the system (lucky sod); he will not tell us everything we want to know about our club (something we feel we deserve but may not be in the club&#039;s commercial interest) etc. etc.

OK, so Bates is so supremely self-confident that he cares not what people think and thus does nothing to mollify the view of those who have already made up their mind about him - probably a wise move since there are none so blind as those who will not revise their opinion.

What I have learned from this life lesson is that if I do allow myself to take off my blinkers I tend to find that those I despise or admire are actually a lot like me. There are bad and good motives living within my mortal shell that cause some to pigeonhole me (often the ones who see something they don&#039;t like about themselves displayed in me) but don&#039;t stop others getting close enough to find out that, underneath it all, I&#039;m trying to make my way just like they are.

This is why I tend not to scapegoat either Grayson or Bates when I become angry, worried or upset about the present state of my club. I hope that, one day, he is replaced by a more affable character with the long term interests of our club at his heart - but the last of those was called Ridsdale and look what a mess he made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But a sweetener nonetheless&#8230;</p>
<p>One thing I have learned through life Mike is that no one is ever as bad (or as good) as we imagine. When Ken Bates took over the reigns at Leeds so many &#8216;fans&#8217; went on the warpath not at Bates himself but at their idea of Bates: He was previously associated with Chelsea (enter tribal hatred); he took a gamble and became obscenely rich (stirs up jealously); he tends to be bombastic and to believe his own publicity (being honest I would like something of his self-belief); he knows how to play the system (lucky sod); he will not tell us everything we want to know about our club (something we feel we deserve but may not be in the club&#8217;s commercial interest) etc. etc.</p>
<p>OK, so Bates is so supremely self-confident that he cares not what people think and thus does nothing to mollify the view of those who have already made up their mind about him &#8211; probably a wise move since there are none so blind as those who will not revise their opinion.</p>
<p>What I have learned from this life lesson is that if I do allow myself to take off my blinkers I tend to find that those I despise or admire are actually a lot like me. There are bad and good motives living within my mortal shell that cause some to pigeonhole me (often the ones who see something they don&#8217;t like about themselves displayed in me) but don&#8217;t stop others getting close enough to find out that, underneath it all, I&#8217;m trying to make my way just like they are.</p>
<p>This is why I tend not to scapegoat either Grayson or Bates when I become angry, worried or upset about the present state of my club. I hope that, one day, he is replaced by a more affable character with the long term interests of our club at his heart &#8211; but the last of those was called Ridsdale and look what a mess he made.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The chap who bought Portsmouth will doubltess end up repurchasing them after administration, it was through no accident that Ken Bates bought the club back. If you have strong knowledge of the business model and its requirements you will have an advantage over any other purchasers. He also had the backing of a major creditor (FSF) who seemingly only wanted his consortium to win. Anyway I digress.

Lord Mawhinney has actually made life worse for clubs who are in financial difficulty and this is borne out of jhaving no knowledge of football prior to bcoming chairman of the football league. Like many other former politicians he will sdoubltess hold a number of roles as a managing director, non executive director, bu  this is one which needs a head full time and with experience. The principle that a good business head, and some experience of leadership is enough is a total joke.

All the moronic chairman who scented bllod when we were in administration and decided to vote for a further decuction of points were like turkeys voting for christmas, most other clubs dont have leeds&#039; inherent resources of a huge fanbase, and players to sell. Look whatsa happened to Luton and Chester, both circling the plughole. The fact of the matter is that a proper leader would never have proposed this as an option. Football is football, finance is finance. The two should remain separate, wage caps, transfer spending limits, these are all sensible things that he should have brought in, instead he dealt with the symptoms alone, ie what to do when a patient becomes terminally ill.. as opposed to how do we stop a healthy club becoming ill?

Lord Mawhinney had an issue with Ken Bates, we all do, it was totally unprofessional and very blinkered to punish the football club however. Ken was only going to walk away with his money in the bank, we would have been left with nothing.

I could rant and rant, but enough to say that it is excellent that Lord Mawhinney is going, and sad that he didnt resign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The chap who bought Portsmouth will doubltess end up repurchasing them after administration, it was through no accident that Ken Bates bought the club back. If you have strong knowledge of the business model and its requirements you will have an advantage over any other purchasers. He also had the backing of a major creditor (FSF) who seemingly only wanted his consortium to win. Anyway I digress.</p>
<p>Lord Mawhinney has actually made life worse for clubs who are in financial difficulty and this is borne out of jhaving no knowledge of football prior to bcoming chairman of the football league. Like many other former politicians he will sdoubltess hold a number of roles as a managing director, non executive director, bu  this is one which needs a head full time and with experience. The principle that a good business head, and some experience of leadership is enough is a total joke.</p>
<p>All the moronic chairman who scented bllod when we were in administration and decided to vote for a further decuction of points were like turkeys voting for christmas, most other clubs dont have leeds&#8217; inherent resources of a huge fanbase, and players to sell. Look whatsa happened to Luton and Chester, both circling the plughole. The fact of the matter is that a proper leader would never have proposed this as an option. Football is football, finance is finance. The two should remain separate, wage caps, transfer spending limits, these are all sensible things that he should have brought in, instead he dealt with the symptoms alone, ie what to do when a patient becomes terminally ill.. as opposed to how do we stop a healthy club becoming ill?</p>
<p>Lord Mawhinney had an issue with Ken Bates, we all do, it was totally unprofessional and very blinkered to punish the football club however. Ken was only going to walk away with his money in the bank, we would have been left with nothing.</p>
<p>I could rant and rant, but enough to say that it is excellent that Lord Mawhinney is going, and sad that he didnt resign.</p>
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		<title>By: mikelufc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikelufc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There were NO others willing to take on Leeds when we went belly up. There were NO decent parties willing to buy Leeds. Through a loop hole, Bates took over the club. It was either that or non existance.&lt;/i&gt;

That is the sweetener that makes suffering Bates possible.
For that we must be forever grateful and give him a resounding cheer when he buggers off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There were NO others willing to take on Leeds when we went belly up. There were NO decent parties willing to buy Leeds. Through a loop hole, Bates took over the club. It was either that or non existance.</i></p>
<p>That is the sweetener that makes suffering Bates possible.<br />
For that we must be forever grateful and give him a resounding cheer when he buggers off.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair points Colin. Bates may look like your lecherous old grandad but he&#039;s a wily old bird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair points Colin. Bates may look like your lecherous old grandad but he&#8217;s a wily old bird.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies - the season before last! Tempus fugit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies &#8211; the season before last! Tempus fugit.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should that not be &quot;attempted to exploit them&quot;? Being docked a further 15 points at the start of last season was proof that Bates&#039; cunning plan backfired spectacularly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should that not be &#8220;attempted to exploit them&#8221;? Being docked a further 15 points at the start of last season was proof that Bates&#8217; cunning plan backfired spectacularly.</p>
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