"You just listen to me Becks and we'll have this baby back in no time!"

Allan Clarke has added fuel to the never ending Jermaine Beckford saga by telling our leading goalscorer that Newcastle United aren’t a big enough club and he’ll never play for anyone bigger than Leeds. Quite right too. Clearly, this has annoyed a few barcodes mind.

Clarke said;

“Jermaine is doing a great job for Leeds, the fans love him, and he is already with the biggest club he’ll ever play for.

“Let’s face it, Leeds are far bigger than Newcastle, so Jermaine should stay at Elland Road and become a real hero there.”

A quick glance through the comments on the TribalFootball website is enough for you to get the jist of the Newcastle v Leeds row going on in there and what an amusing one it is too. Leeds fans agree with Clarke, Newcastle United fans don’t. (Shock!)

Newcastle point to their superior attendance figures as proof they are a bigger club. Ok, that’s a given, but then you have got a much bigger stadium and more reasonable ticket prices for the League you’re in. This leads to catchment area. Leeds is indeed the third biggest city in England and definitely has a massive area, but then so does Newcastle. An almost infinite supply of feeder towns with almost no noticable clubs to rival you and Sunderland. Let’s not forget, we have both Sheffield’s who are unquestionably big clubs, Hull and of course Manchester United (Although, admittedly we all have to tolerate their fans). Then there’s a whole host of smaller clubs with sizeable fanbases around here such as Bradford and Barnsley. In comparison, you have a monopoly over your area!

The fact of the matter is though. Who cares? You’re always going to get bigger attendances whilever you’re in a bigger stadium and higher league. We’d be getting plenty more in, in your position. You’ve already lost 8,000 fans since last season (although, I can accept ownership may be an issue – as it is with Leeds!)

Trophies next up. Leeds have three league titles, Newcastle have four. Leeds have one FA Cup, Newcastle have six. Leeds have two UEFA Cup’s, Newcastle have one. Leeds were robbed of the European Cup by a bribed referee (1975). Newcastle have never come close. What really matters here though lads is you’ve done nothing since the 1950’s, and three of your League titles were in the days before Leeds United even existed when your biggest rival was Bristol City. Hardly a massive achievement is it?

In fairness it’s been a while for Leeds too. Aside from our title winning season of 1992 under the legendary Howard Wilkinson (who then messed up and sold Cantona), Leeds haven’t done much since the 1970’s. That said, when it comes to football on the big stage, by which I mean Europe, Leeds are still the 14th most successful side in Europe in terms of matches played and won. We’re ranked there because of consistency, because over the decades we’ve qualified and competed in Europe much more than the rest of the English teams in that list – yourselves included. (You’re 87th)

Healthiest looking Geordie I could find... honest!

For me, that makes Leeds United the bigger team, but it’s all down to interpretation and whatever shade of tinted spectacles you happen to be wearing. For those of you in the black and white striped ones, you’ll point to a collection of trophies collected 60-100 years ago, whilst the ones looking through blue, white and yellow ones will point to Revie, Europe and consistency.

It’s an impossible argument that no one can win. I know this because I grew up in a small mining town near Leeds which is literally bursting with Geordies who came Southwards to teach us how to dig holes in the ground and pull lumps of black gold out. A lot of my friends therefore support Newcastle United, so I’m well versed in such arguments and know full well that they never end, and no one ever wins.

It’s totally irrelevant who is and who isn’t the better team anyway. The fact of the matter remains that Leeds and Newcastle are two massive clubs who have massively underachieved, had inept chairmen and find themselves lingering in league’s neither of them belong. Let’s focus on what really matters, which is getting back into a position where we can both challenge for honours once more.

…and as for Allan Clarke? Well, he is a Leeds United legend, he’s hardly going to side with you lot!

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  • Darren Gladstone

    I read the article from Leeds legend Allan Clarke and immediately one thing struck me – the quote from Mr Clarke is a massive tongue in cheek wind up. My other thought at the time was “A lot of NUFC fans will not see this and immediately be on the ‘We’re bigger than you lot, blah de blah’ wagon”.
    Your article above does have some good points, but the telling point is the last paragraph. How two teams of our stature find ourselves in these positions is unbelievable!
    Less of the “My dad’s bigger, etc” and, as you say, concentrate on getting to the PL where we can hopefully build and have some right old ding dongs between our respective clubs.
    Good luck Leeds, see you in a season or two!

    • TSS

      Might have been tongue in cheek, but I reckon Clarke probably believes that. He spent almost all his career at Leeds and came back to manage them. He played during our most successful era and was worshipped by the fans. He’s probably confused as to why anyone would want to play elsewhere.

      Either way, the ‘my Dad’s bigger than yours’ argument is pretty amusing!

  • De Kuip 02

    Whos Allan Clarke?

    As for the debate raised by whoever this lad is then its a bit pointless. Fact is Jermaine Beckford WANTS to sign for Newcastle. NUFC look likely to return to the PL in 2010 and he will be playing for us in it. Newcastle and Leeds are both big clubs (still) i see little comparison in them and i’m a Newcastle Fan, though if Leeds don’t get their backsides in gear pretty soon and get back to the PL they will loose their ‘big club’ tag forever as they’ve been out the top flight for so long. Being away will slowly kill your club as young local fans desert your club and follow fashionable PL clubs.

    PS – You may mock Bristol City as our rivals in the time we won the league but they are in the division above you at the minute and should serve as a reminder of how far you’ve fallen – and have still to make up. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Leeds are looking good for promotion and i sincerely hope they do get it. But leave the big club debate till we’re both in the top flight eh.

    • Markus

      Allan Clarke is a man with more honours, more skill and more class than Alan Shearer could ever dream of. Do your own homework before posting comments with such ignorance!

      As for the Bristol City comment, it was probably a little harsh on them but they’re hardly Liverpool, Chelsea etc. (the ones we competed with). I think that was TSS’ point. Good luck for the rest of the season to all NUFC fans. Neither clubs fans deserve what has happened in recent years.

    • Wind-up merchants! :)

      Glad to see you’re still doing well lads. I’ll let our lot on .org know about this, I’m sure some of them are itching for another ‘debate’…

      • TSS

        Haha, you alright mate? Hard to resist a good wind-up! You know how it is. Glad to see you’re doing well anyway. Best of luck for the rest of the season. I’ll be inside Sold Trafford shortly so try and keep it peaceful!

        • Sh*te aye, time is ticking. Better get sorted so I can sit down and enjoy that one!! All the best, hope you batter them. And hope you get home safe, sure to be an interesting day out with 8,000 of you feckers across there!

          • TSS

            What you trying to suggest!? LOL. My mate lives near the stadium, there’s coppers everywhere already. Should be kept under control.

  • Bob

    So is this a case of you being wound up by the Newcastle fans then?

  • De Kuip 02

    Re : Allan Clarke

    DeKuip Winds the Leeds fans up and the Leeds fans bite.

    Swings and Roundabouts lads.

  • This is laughable especially when you count the number of trophies won which every other club points out to us, but with leeds near enough having nothing they try and take other things into context, which when geordies do wwe get called deluded.

    Leeds bigger than newcastle come on the Leeds days are well gone and 3rd biggest city in England shows how well equipped you foreigners are. When your own players want to leave and they want to go to Newcastle surely it must be because were a bigger club as Leeds are s*** and so is there Support and by the way most of the 8,000 fans that aint watching this season was corporate fans and press but we have broken the attendance record so dedication is there for every jealous fan that trys to mock us thank you :)

    • Guildford White

      John Stewart – have you heard of punctuation?

    • Gary Tunnicliffe

      Sadly it’s all about money and if somebody offers him more than Newcastle he’ll change his mind. After a few games you’ll stick him on the bench because at the top level he’ll never make it, he needs a lot of chances before he bangs them in.

    • Sam Parker

      The simple fact is Newcastle have not competed consitently in the Modern era. I’m a geordie who supports Leeds and is a Season ticket holder. The only thing that is ever mentioned when people talk about Newcastle being a big club is their fanbase, says it all really! As to your supposed Glorious history nobody remembers it outside Newcastle! People keep telling me about Leeds. Yer boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jonny

      Like when David Batty wanted to leave Newcastle to come to Leeds United,No theory to that daft quote, So are you saying Alan Shearer didnt want to go to Scum(Man Utd) and chose Newcastle because they were a bigger club?

      Money talks in football, Beckford is 26 and his next contract could be his last chance to get big money, He will get that at Newcastle as you will be back in the premiership which will be reflecting in his contract salary.

  • MD

    You say: Leeds haven’t done much since the 1970’s. That said, when it comes to football on the big stage, by which I mean Europe, Leeds are still the 14th most successful side in Europe in terms of matches played and won.

    But, those figures only go up to 2000. Why not use this list from the same source:
    http://www.iffhs.de/?3d4d443d0b803e8b40384c00205fdcdc3bfcdc0aec70aeedbe1a

    Newcastle 39th in the all-time world club rankings, but Leeds in 73rd.

    You can argue this any way you like, but at the minute neither of our clubs is a ‘big club’. In my view, being a big club is about challenging for top honours – and neither of us can do that at present.

  • jay jay

    Despite the fact you’re playing in a league we’ve never been down to, lets look at another thing the idiotic gobsh1te clarke fails to mention…leeds to newcastle…woodgate,bowyer and milner. newcastle to leeds…paul huntington. say no more dingles!

  • Darren Gladstone

    Well done Leeds. That’s Beckford’s fee just gone up by £2 million or so.

  • JMan

    Allan Clarke on his best day doesn’t even come close to Alan Shearer on his worst day. He’s not fit to lace Shearer’s boots. Shearer has scored nearly twice as many goals than Clarke in his career.

  • DJG

    As a Newcastle fan can I first congratulate Leeds (a club I genuinely like) on a brilliant result and a game that, as a neutral, I totally enjoyed more than most.
    Regarding Beckford, I think it is silly to say that moving to newcastle wouldn’t be a step up in his career; considering he would doubtlessly increase his wages and in all probablility be playing premier leauge football in 2010. I think this game will have convinced people that he can do it at the top level. That said he seems a bit laboured at times compared to your other striker who never stopped. Im not holding my breath that we will get him after that game Leeds could hold on for rediculous money. Either way I wouldn’t be too gutted; we have 4 strikers already but on the evidence of today he is probably better than anyone we have got. We will see what happens.

  • Ed Harrison

    The bottom line is that both Leeds and Newcastle are famous clubs with great histories and just terrific fan support. Really pleased to see Leeds beat ManU today – hope we (I’m a Geordie) can get Beckford but his price may have gone close to 2M after his fine goal today. He looked good today but I thought Leeds were the better side – bu8t how one earth did the referee give 5 mins added time? There were very few stoppages in second half – was he scared in case Ferguson got at him?

  • Jon Gaunt on Talksport and for president!

    Newcastle are a joke outfit andway smaller than Leeds Utd and Coventry City! You Toon fansare deluded!

  • Jon Gaunt on Talksport and for president!

    Stupid Toon fans your stadium is ugly and you aint won ouwt major for decades!